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Poster: A snowHead
Fri 3-04-20 13:13
Replies: 36
We always quoted the Portes du Soleil circuit as being about 85 kms, easily doable with a decent lunch. We did the loop with a snack lunch and some extra runs to clock a reasonably comfortable 100km once, mainly because we were almost done and someone noticed we weren't far off and all thought "Why not.". On the flip side I managed to clock up a mighty 2.9km hurding, then skiing with beginner friends one day back in Feb :)
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Wed 1-04-20 17:12
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@doberman, where are you based? If you're in the UK you could do a lot worse than (assuming we're not all still locked up at home) getting along to your nearest Oktobertest.
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Wed 1-04-20 12:18
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In Biergläser gespuckt "Sie war gerammelt voll, die Leute sangen und tanzten auf den Tischen", berichtet der Engländer. "Die Leute waren heiß und verschwitzt vom Skifahren, und die Kellner haben zu Hunderten Shots an Tische gebracht. Es könnte kein besseres Zuhause für einen Virus geben." Bland berichtet auch von Trinkspielen. Die Bar sei bekannt für "Beer-Pong" - ein Trinkspiel, bei dem Nachtschwärmer abwechselnd versuchen denselben Tischtennisball in ein Bierglas zu werfen. Manchmal werden die Bälle auch in den Mund genommen und gespuckt. https://www.vol.at/saufspiele-und-speicheltausch-wie-ischgl-zur-corona-drehscheibe-wurde/6569180 One of a number of articles that mention this. Remember what I said about cheap copy/paste new stories? According to Google Translate that article says "...According to the British media...", so this is NOT an article written based on an interview with Mr Bland but based on a report in the British media of an interview with Mr Bland - or possibly an edited version of an article based on one in another paper, based on a journalist's version of what was said in an interview with Mr Bland. The first paragraph you quoted, talking about how rammed it was and the waiter service tallies with my experiences of the Kitzloch. The second paragraph, talking about the bar being "known for Beer Pong"... Like I said many nights in the Kitzloch over many trips to Ischgl and I've never seen or heard even a suggestion of Beer Pong - and I've been there on a quite week where we were playing drinking game with the waiters, as they had nothing to do. Beer Pong wasn't even suggested as one of the drinking games. Just smacks of a journo' padding out an article and trying to make it more interesting than "It was so busy all you could do was stand there drinking beer and singing along to the music.". Also the fact that the waiter in question used to have whistle which he would blow to clear a way for himself, and that guests would also blow the whistle for fun. Ah, forget his name right now but known in our group a Lurch.
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Wed 1-04-20 11:55
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@ricklovesthepowder sorry but that's kind of on you. If you want to do a road trip to a few resorts the epic and ikon passes make it pretty reasonable. Ikon pass for next year is about £560. So 10 days skiing works out at £56 per day, which is similar to what you would pay per day at the big European resorts... Yea, but equally if you wanted to do a road trip in Europe you'd look at an area where you can get a pass covering more than one resort, rather than buying day tickets too.
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Tue 31-03-20 17:24
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also, how many times are cups & glasses washed properly? hot enough with detergent to kill the virus? Quite easily live on the glass for hours/days. In the case of the Kitzloch, Ischgl's break-out point, very regularly. The bar staff never re-use glasses and they go straight in to the kitchen and in to the industrial dish washer. Well they did under the old owners and I'd be suprised if the new owners this year had changed the process.The spread of the virus in Kitzloch was supposedly caused by the game of 'beer pong' where you have to spit a ping pong ball into a beer glass & win a schnapps if you get it in... Unfortunately they were reusing the same ping pong ball :roll: Yea, as someone who's spent many a happy apres session in the Kitzloch, both in peak and low season weeks I think people need to stop focusing on the "Beer Pong" and focus more on the "supposedly". I have seen many (and instigated a few) things in the Kitzloch but 'beer pong for a free schnapps' is not one of them. Hell, given how often a ping pong ball goes bouncing off across the floor in a normal game of Beer Pong/the number of feet usually in the Kitzloch I'd give each ball a life span of about, well 1 usage before going off to squished ping pong ball haven! I'm not questioning the Kitzloch being a a great place to spread Covid-19, just wondering if the beer pong side came from fact or the slightly over-excited imagination of a journalist somewhere that's just become the source of some cheap copy/paste news stories...
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Tue 31-03-20 10:01
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also, how many times are cups & glasses washed properly? hot enough with detergent to kill the virus? Quite easily live on the glass for hours/days. In the case of the Kitzloch, Ischgl's break-out point, very regularly. The bar staff never re-use glasses and they go straight in to the kitchen and in to the industrial dish washer. Well they did under the old owners and I'd be suprised if the new owners this year had changed the process.
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Fri 27-03-20 12:07
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Yes, back in Sussex after some hectic beer pong sessions at the Kitzloch. Christ it must have been a quite week in the Kitzloch if you were able to play beer pong. Think it was only our second time in the Kitzloch when we dicided to stay post-apres for food that we realised they had tables and chairs in the place, and that it wasn't just standing room only for apres! Usually it's too packed for a train to move to the 'Gedink-a-dink' song and needs quite a quiet week for there to be floor space for the Scandi's to have room to sit on the floor for the little rubber boat song. Yes, I think I might be suffering apres ski withdrawal symptoms having missed my Austria trip this year.
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Wed 25-03-20 10:56
Replies: 194
Various texts from Crystal, one saying we would be given face masks at Innsbruck....Through check in and security, no one giving out masks, no staff wearing them. A few signs to say cough/sneeze in to tissues and throw them away and dont put things in your mouth. In departure lounge, there was a few with face masks on. The only airport worker I saw in a mask/gloves was in Passport control, his colleague sat next to him wore no PPE. So it appeared the info going around was either just being ignored or not being taken seriously. Or maybe you didn't get masks/most people weren't wearing them at the airport because the facts, rather than the info got around before you got there. Face masks are good for infected people as they help stop you passing the infection on. This is why surgons wear them when performing operations, to stop them infecting the patient. Face masks are terrible for 'clean' people as they quickly become warm and moist from the wearer's breathing, which makes them an almost perfect virus capture and incubation devices. This is why the preferred PPE for someone dealing with known infected people is the clear plastic full face shield.
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Tue 24-03-20 16:27
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From a mate living in Verbier His words, not mine "Greedy fuc***g Romanian quack in the village charging fortunes for testing...disgrace. We're well past any peak...and yes I think the asymptomatic comment fair, we've all had it over half term and barely noticed...aches, low energy, loss of smell....3 days....a load of bo**ocks." Humm, not the classic symptoms of Covid19 - and if they all had it at half term that must make it about the first place in Europe to have an infection (Italy's first case was only at the very end of Jan and it would take a few weeks for everyone, even in a ski resort, to catch it). If I were a betting man and everyone in a ski resort caught something that had different symptoms to Covid19 and caught it before Covid19 had really got a grip on Europe I'd put my money on that being a different winter bug.
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Tue 24-03-20 11:36
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Yes, Stanton posted a link a week ago claiming Ischgl was ground zero for Europe's 2020 death plague. Impressive work for Ischgl to be the European epicentre, with it's first case suggested to be at the end of Feb...a month after the first case in Italy.
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Mon 23-03-20 16:04
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Maybe the brits might need to look a bit closer to home https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/22/liverpool-atletico-madrid-coronavirus-champions-league . Hopefully there will be no bad consequences here but only time will tell. As to Ischgl, maybe a business owner did deliberately hide evidence that his staff were infected and behaved recklessly, sure we will find out in the months to come. Equally possible they simply did not understand the enormity of all this until too late, plenty of that has been happening all over the globe. You may be missing the point. On 1st March 14 Icelanders returned home with CV having visited Ischgl. Iceland declared Ischgl a non go area, in line with parts of ital and Wuhan. Austria declared this was nonsense, they caught it on the plane. That is I would guess what needs to be investigated. On the first point the epicentre of the outbreak in Ischgl does seem to be the Kitzloch, which was bought out over the summer for what would have been a very pretty penny, so there may have been a desire to try and cross fingers and stay open, hoping it wasn't Covid19. That said I think it's more likely that by the time one member of staff had gone from "feeling a bit under the weather" to thinking it might be Covid19 after all, they would have already infects a handful of customers and fellow staff anyway...who would have been infectious and working for a day or so before feeling too ill to work,... On the second point I'm not sure it would ever be possible to say where they caught it if the Icelanders only developed symptoms after returning home (and if they'd had them in resort they should have reported/self isolated in resort, not boarded a plane home). If they picked it up in Ischgl they would probably have infected other people on the plane so others on the plane would have developed it, and then you're in to a chicken/egg game on who had it first. Or maybe they didn't catch it either in Ischgl or in the plane, but just walking past someone in the airport who'd just flown in from Italy, or...
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Fri 20-03-20 16:48
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Update on my attempt to get a refund from Swiss air. I eventually got through on the phone. They say the relevant flights haven't been cancelled, they're just "not bookable any more" (huh?). So no refund. They will allow credit if I rebook before 31 Aug 20 for flights before 31 dec 20. Not sure how much use that will be. Even if ski resorts accessed via Geneva are fully reopened by december, I'll be reluctant to repeat the experience of booking a ski holiday separate from flights. Before 32 Dec 20 you say? Perfect for the Pre-Season Bash...
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Fri 20-03-20 16:45
Replies: 48
Is it morally right that a small number of businesses meet all the cost, rather than at least partially spreading it around a much larger pool of customers? Generally it's not a small number of businesses meeting all the costs though, but rather a large number of small businesses doing it. My trip with Crystal was cancelled and they said a refund was on its way right from the first notification email (hit my bank account today as it happens). Great for me - but I also know they're only taking this route with their customers because on the flip side they are turning round to the hotel and saying "Yea, we're not going to be paying you anything for the rest of the season. See you next year if you're still in business.".
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Tue 17-03-20 10:27
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YSE in Val disere height of irresponsibility we’re still offering to fly people out for a walking holiday !! No refund from them .We emailed you last night saying we would be in touch. The offer of a walking holiday was before the resort was shut. You have twisted words. And to me this is the problem with having a name and shame thread like this....... Which is why this ISN'T a name and shame thread, it's a "...who have been the good guys" thread. If people can just read the thread title and post appropreatly we'll be fine...
Poster: A snowHead
Mon 16-03-20 11:24
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Very good response from Cystal. The same email telling us that the trip was off was the one telling us we'd get our money back in 4 days and an offer of £75 off pp for a winter 20/21 booking made before the end of June. This is going to be incredibly one sided. People are going to go out of business - this kind of thread may well hasten that. I'd disagree. Yes some people will go out of business as a result of this and that's terrible but also beyond our control as punters. What we CAN do is remember those that treated us well this year when it comes to making our bookings for the 20/21 season. So if your tour operator was a dick about it don't use them, use one of the ones posted in this thread who weren't dicks. If you were booking direct with a small, independent chalet or hotel and they gave you a refund try to organise your 20/21 trip sooner rather than later and re-book with them - deposits aren't much but it's usually cash flow that kills small businesses so every little helps (just use a credit card/have insurance in case the worst does happen).
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Wed 11-03-20 16:41
Replies: 40
I'm usually there this time in March but somehow I'm glad I'm not. Same here but we decided to give Saalbach a try this year instead. Not sure it's going to be a very fair comparison...
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Wed 11-03-20 11:15
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Ischgl without apres ski. I'm not sure my brain can understand that.
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Tue 10-03-20 13:13
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OK, so I'm meant to be going to Saalbach on the weekend but I've got this bad cold with a really sore throat that makes it hard to breath. Do you think I should still go? FFS. https://www.saalbach.com/en/service/corona To be clear, I don't :)
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Tue 10-03-20 13:03
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Kitzloch fully closed now? Was just closed as a restaurant but still open as an apres bar (with a complete set of temporary replacement staff) according to the announcement I saw yesterday?
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Sat 7-03-20 17:13
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Chuck the skis in the post to Jon at the piste office. I bust the sidewall of my skis a few years back, bending the edge both ways but not breaking it. It was repaired poorly by a tech. in resort but after my Feb trip the sidewall repair was coming loose again. Posted to Jon on Monday, fully repaired (to a much higher standard than the in-resort repair) and delivered back to me yesterday. Just £90 (though obviously cost will depend on damage).
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Fri 6-03-20 16:41
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@andy from embsay, What's the bottleneck above Super Morzine ? I know Proclou gets busy during lessons at half term (5-10) minutes, but it's not busy early doors, and people coming up from SM only need to go through here once. While I generally agree that it's fixing a problem that doesn't really exist I'd also say Proclou IS a bottleneck even outside half term. While not full ski-Nazi I'm not in the "10am lift" crowd either and all too often you come around the corner and mutter "Botox!" to yourself as you catch a view of the queue. Of course this is easy to avoid - just jump on the bus. OK, that's easy for us as we stay next to the first bus stop on the route - it's harder for those further up the valley who get to see packed buses drive past. But that could be addressed with more buses - and you can buy a LOT of buses for the cost of that gondola...
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Tue 3-03-20 11:33
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In addition to naming all their lifts Ischgl also asign them a letter+number code to make life easier for non-German speakers. Gondolas up from Ischgl are all "A" lifts and all drop you in to the Idalp bowl. All chairs out of the Idalpe bowl are "B" lifts, etc, etc - https://www.ischgl.com/en/Active/Active-Winter/Skiing-in-Ischgl/Skimap/Map
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Mon 2-03-20 15:50
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The more you pay generally the higher the margin and so the more money the hire shop makes. The flip side of this is the happier the hire shop will be to let you swap skis during the week, so (depending on conditions) start by asking for say a pair of dedicated piste skis, then swap them for something all mountain if it snows later in the week or just for a different pair of piste skis to see which you prefer.
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Fri 28-02-20 15:26
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I had a great back-country week in Morzine 3 weeks back and wouldn't hesitate to recommend out guides, if they are available. We had Guillaume Ormont and Alain from ESF Morzine/Bureas des Guides Morzine. Think you can book them via the ESF office (though we had someone to sort that side of it for us).
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Fri 28-02-20 15:10
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The TO has confirmed to me in an email that: "Ski use chartered flights that have particular rules BA have set that only pertain to our ski flights. We have been advised from BA that ski boot are not allowed in the cabin. This is not an official stance for all BA flights just our chartered flights. Our advise is to pack them into your hold bag to avoid complications at the airport." So I think I will keep my zipfits in my hand luggage, stick the shells in the hold and be ready to give the TO an earful if they don't turn up! What's the flight number/date and time? Just wondering if it IS a fully charter flight or in reality a scheduled one anyone could book on ba.com...
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Fri 28-02-20 15:08
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Just wondering - has anyone EVER had their carry-on bag opened and inspected by any airline? Most I've ever seen is people be asked to put them in the size gauge to confirm they are carry-on sized (including one where the passenger got the bag in with a little pushing...then couldn;t get it back out :D).
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Fri 28-02-20 11:23
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@pam w, I love a decent cup of tea, too, so I take a travel kettle and some PG Tips! I have got to the stage where, once the cats have been hurded in to selecting where to stay I start scowering the photos to see if there's a kettle in the place :) Slightly torn on my next trip - B&B in Austria with no in-room kettle, but the bar's open till 00:00 and has a full coffee machine. Do I take the travel kettle or just the tea bags and get "Heißes Wasser und etwas Milch bitte"...? @TheGeneralist, If you drive, or if you can persuade a transfer/taxi (and yes I have persuaded a taxi luckily at no extra cost because he had another fare he could do) always stop off in the nearest valley supermarket before climbing up to resort. We had a good French reader in our group for my last trip and did a Carrefour Drive shop online before we went. Didn't seem to be any issues paying on a UK-based credit card and made the stop painless*. Assuming you're on some kind of private transfer shoud be easier to get the driver to stop for a quick, en-route shopping pick-up... \* At least the drive pick-up was painless. The second car managing to take 25min longer to get from Geneva to Annece so the planned quick lunch/quick run-around supermarket alcohol and treats shop/back on the road turned in to a drawn out quick lunch for us, wait for them, ask if they wanted anything picking up while we shopped/they eat and get told "No, we're fine", we shop, get back to find them gone, call them to find out...they are now going around the supermarket... Deep breath in...deep breath out. Deep breath in...deep breath out.
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Fri 28-02-20 11:09
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We're talking about BA here, not EasyJet though and BA policy has been a ski bag is just another (single) hold bag for years. I've done 3 weeks so far this year, all flying BA and all with my skis only case as my checked back/my boots in my carry-on bag with everything else - though I've not actually carried my bag on for any of those flights. If you walk up to the check-in desk and say "Can I check in my carry-on bag?" you will almost certainly be told "Of course" and there's never been any talk of charging for the extra bag - at least assuming you have another bag to check. Might not be so easy if you're on a HBO (hand baggage only) ticket. OK, this means you're slightly slower out the airport if you were just HBO but every trip I've 1) Had to pick up my checked skis anyway. 2) Been sharing my transfer with someone with at least 1 checked bag. 3) Not been trying to rush to resort to get some Saturday snow so seen any real benefit in getting out the airport 10-15min quicker.
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Thu 27-02-20 11:32
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Lots of variable on this one. 1. Where are you going? In my experience: France has a lot of self-catering apartments and both catered/self-catering chalets but fewer hotels/B&Bs. Italy and Austria has a lot of hotels/B&Bs and self-catering apartments but fewer chalets. 2. How big a group are you? Simple family of 4: Apartment if you like your own space. Shared, catered chalet if you play nice with other people. Hotel if you're like everything being done for you. B&B if you like being able to try different restaurants each night. Big family/groups of families: Large apartment or either catered/self catering chalets work well. Hotels and B&Bs less so as you're in your individual rooms or in communal spaces shared with everyone else in the place. 3. How old are your family? Young children: Self-catering means you can feed the children when they need feeding, not just when your acomodation says meals are served. Also easier to cover "I'm not eating that.". Older or grown-up children: Any option works. 4. How much do you want to spend? Self-catering is going to be cheapest as you could just live off oats and water if you wanted to. B&B more expensive but gives you freedom for lunch/dinner but removes the "Sugar, we were meant to pop in the shop and buy breakfast on the way home. Who wants to get up and walk to the shop?" question. Hotel most expensive and you can feel 'obliged' to eat in the hotel because you've paid for it, even when what everyone wants is to go to the pizza place over the road. 5. How are you getting there? Clearly this doesn't matter for catered chalet/hotel/B&B but if you're self catering the small shop in the resort will be expensive and have a limited range of produce, which can add to costs. If you're driving, either from the UK or in a hire car from the airport you can stop en route to do a big shop and save more money.
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Tue 25-02-20 16:34
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Hold off and get yourself along to one of the Oktobertest sessions. Try skis, buy the ones you like the most.
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Mon 24-02-20 17:03
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Quick report back on my Sixt car hire experience at Geneva: 1. Sixt queue was much shorter than the Hertz one. 2. 'Checking in' was reasonably painless, even for the second car in our group who were about 2hrs late picking up (I'd love to say due to flight delays but actually due to one couples being useless). 3. No issues with the cars at pick-up and both nice and clean and new. 4. At drop-off the inspection picked up a scratch on one of the plastic wheel rims...which the guy said wasn't worth putting down and charging us for. So to the OP, I'd have no issues recommending Sixt at Geneva.
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Fri 14-02-20 16:29
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A very nice sales video but not convinced of it's practical use. 1. So you're going to start firing a high powered laser in not only an urban setting but also some of the most congested airspace in the world. 2. Look beyond the hype for some clues in the video. We aren't talking about at target/fire/drone gone scenario. In the "3 drone swarm" (all of which are being held perfectly still) there's 9 seconds - and a huge cut - between drones 1 and 2 falling. So even in optimal conditions you're talking about MORE than 9 seconds to target and kill. 3. Is a shot down drone hitting an aircraft on the tarmac likely to do any damage to the aircraft? Probably not. Would YOU fly in an aircraft that had just been hit by a falling drone and not been taken out of service for a conprehensive check-over?
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Thu 13-02-20 14:23
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At the moment the strong winds from storm Dennis aren't due to hit the London are till around lunch time, so morning flights should be fine.
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Thu 13-02-20 10:54
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@DanFuller, personally I'd ignore any recommendations and get yourself to a decent retailer as I find ski pole grips to be a bit like gloves - while they all do the same job some just fit in your hand better than others. I invested in a pair of these for this year as I had a guided backcountry week coming up so needed the option of powder baskets and could see the value in being able to either shrink everything down to attach to my backpack/extend things slightly to more of a walking pole length to help when treking. I dropped in to Ski Bartlet who had a good range of adjustable poles and ended up with a pair of Scott poles, not due to brand loyalty, price or anything just because they just felt 'right' in my hand.
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Wed 12-02-20 10:13
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[url=https://www.decathlon.co.uk/evo-4-arva-pack-id_8381163.html]Decathlon also do a cheap starter kit. Will let someone else comment on quality but doubt even Decathlon would go too cheap and crap on this sort of thing.
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Wed 12-02-20 10:02
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@WASHOUT, glad you got sorted what a nightmare. My Dad lost his wallet when on holiday with us. We knew where, and we returned within 10 minutes, but the wallet had gone along with the occupants of the next table... Just to give a counter point to this one, a friend lost his wallet in Morzine a couple of years ago and whilst out drowning his sorrows with borrowed money got a Facebook message asking if he'd lost his wallet/to confirm a couple of things in it, and finally where he was. 45 min later a car pulls up, a quick chat, (still full) wallet handover, refusal of reward and the car was gone in to the night. Had something similar in Morzine with a lost drone (only the owner thought it was a good idea to fly it after a couple of hours on the scary cocktail in Happy Hours). A few weeks later the drone owner was contacted by a tortuous route - someone had just found it be pure luck, downloaded the videos, identified a small ski company hoodie, googled them, contacted them, who passed his details to the drone owner. Good to remember that not everyone who finds a wallet, etc is a scumbag.
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Tue 11-02-20 14:08
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What the hell was the ski pole made out of!
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Tue 11-02-20 12:40
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Snow-forecast.com hinting at a return to higher temps from Saturday :( Fingers crossed they are as wrong about that as they are about most things in their mid-range forecasts!
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Mon 10-02-20 14:19
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Swiss lifts are generally inferior to Austrian in my - limited - experience of Samnaun, Murren and Wengen Yep, mine too. If you do the Portes du Soleil circuit all the French side is on chairs and almost all of them modern, padded ones. And then you drop off the back of Chatel in to Switzerland and drop in to The Land That Time Forgot, with old chairs and loads of drag lifts (though it does mean you can still find fresh 'side piste' snow that side a few days after everything else has been tracked out as people see the drag lifts and decide to ignore the whole corner).
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Mon 10-02-20 11:28
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They've also put an 8 seater from Alp Trida in place of the 4 to Visnitzkopf - I was only commenting to my fellow skiers last year that the area up there had too little access capacity - some nice runs, but no doubt be busier now... So 2 new lifts in a year. Geez, if they're making it easier to get up N2 I hope they also expand the Alp Bella restaurant! Was busy-enough when accessed via the 4-man and none of our group would want to miss their regular dose of rotisserie chicken/salad/bread roll! It just takes too long to get back from Samnaun - even more so down the other way - blue 60. However there seems to be a plan for a gondola back up to above AlpTrida - in to the Visnitzkopf area (to the top of M2 chair I think) That would be a good addition. 60's actually quite a nice run, but knowing the whole wait-for-bus thing is waiting for you at the bottom does make it a rather occasional one. @margaret, @Corky, if you like your wine and the more chilled vibe of the Kiwi you should check out the Trofanna Hotel bar. Great wine list (though of course with both hotel and mountain taxes on the prices), usually empty, and a choice of nice social bar '[url=https://www.alpineluxurychalets.com/media/W1siZiIsIjIwMTkvMDYvMDUvMTYvMDMvMTUvODk5N2Y2MDQtMzZlMC00NDVkLTg1ODktNTQ3MDZlZDI3Yzg5L0hvdGVsX1Ryb2ZhbmFfUm95YWxfSXNjaGdsX2RpbmluZ19iYXIuanBnIl0sWyJwIiwidGh1bWIiLCIxMTEweDU4NCMiXSxbInAiLCJlbmNvZGUiLCJqcGciLCItcXVhbGl0eSA5MCJdXQ/0c5ac379b6fe24fb/Hotel_Trofana_Royal_Ischgl_dining_bar.jpg]penises' (safe for work :)) or big leather chairs by the huge log fire.
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