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Poster: A snowHead
Thu 18-02-21 14:11
Replies: 179
bezthespaniard: Having seen loss of confidence ruin another person’s ski holiday from close quarters a couple of times, I’d say psychology could be pretty important. If I was in your position, which I never will be, if you can do it, I’d lower your expectations of success to worse than say 50/50, so you can be delighted if you succeed, and show only mild disappointment if you don’t. Another thing could be a shift of focus for both of you, but mainly for her, away onto the kids instead of herself, and making sure that you both try your hardest to give them the time of their lives? She may then be happy, even if she doesn’t take to skiing herself, and you may have some sort of template for future holidays? Also I too agree that @Old Fartbag has pretty well nailed it.
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Mon 15-02-21 17:47
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@halfhand +1, but my impression is, the commentators are a long way from being alone in this . .
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Fri 12-02-21 0:54
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Terrific thread. It was 2002; I was 50, and honestly, I'd never previously wanted to ski. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I happened to have no confidence that I would survive beyond the end of the year. An old friend (and a good man) said out of the blue: "We're going skiing in Meribel in a couple of weeks." (Eh? What? Where?) "We're a body short; why don't you come along and see if you like it?" Me: "But I can't ski." Him: " Don't be stupid! First time out, everybody who goes skiing can't ski!" (No arguing with that.) Me: "OK." (Still not really interested, but give it a go. What the hell.) Him: "Good! You'll need lessons; make sure you get some. Dry slope!" Over the next couple of weeks, a few hours were spent at Knockhatch. Jeans, a fleece and gloves was all was needed. Knockhatch. 110 metres. I found the Knockhatch experience was the exact opposite of being thrilled. Is this skiing. Really. I was not looking forward to Meribel. Ski jacket/salopettes were kindly lent by people from work, though. Once I was there, it was so very different. I was hooked, well inside the week, despite falling all over the place. So I kept going thereafter, and coincidentally didn't pop my clogs. As a result, in 2016, I think it was, I was desperate for more weeks, so I convinced a former work colleague he had to get away from his wife and three daughters for a week in Mottaret to make us (i.e. me) an economical package. Surprisingly for me, in the departure lounge in Gatwick, there's a work colleague, plus his mate. Me: "Hey, Richard, what are you up to?" (I had no idea he was into snowsports.) Him: "Snowboarding! You two?" Me: "Skiing!" After a minute or so of chat, he said: "Why don't you join snowHeads? I think you'll like it." Me: "What's that? (I really hadn't heard of it.) Are you a member?" Him: "No. (Smile.) Another mate of mine is, though. (Slight smirk.) I think you should check it out. (Smirk. Smirk.)" (What could he possibly have been thinking.) So I did; first Bash 2017, and no stopping except f'ing Covid, long live snowHeads.
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Thu 4-02-21 17:21
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Meant as a compliment: Item + Postage, invoice £0.00 and I find stuff that has arrived for that is not often of so much value to me. I.e thanks. Looks weird now you mention it.
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Thu 4-02-21 14:04
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@CH2O Your Post = First Class, without the price tag. Coincidentally, to reinforce what you said about buckling up variability, a few days ago I was watching Reilly McG’s take on his playing with that for advantage: any thoughts? http://youtu.be/-orNCgbTnUU
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Sat 30-01-21 0:45
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Irresistible. Q. does Debs know anything about teaching skiing? A. See below, and much, much more. http://youtu.be/g3ECTBw96cg The kids doing moguls on the inside ski . . . :lol:
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Thu 28-01-21 18:54
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@DB OK fair enough & fair point. No I haven't mastered the double pole plant, and I just wish I had! Single seemed easier - coordination involved is less I imagine and I'm not all that athletic. I was well into the beers, such is lockdown, but I'm keeping quiet until the morrow now!
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Thu 28-01-21 18:40
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When I Googled 'Swiss Virage' I got an image of a one-piece toilet. This one of my favourite types of turns. http://youtu.be/X2iVZ0poCk4
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Thu 28-01-21 18:18
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Oh dear. It seems to me that a fair number of the disputes here on snowHeads are just terminology wars in some other guise. It's far too easy to degenerate into argument about terms, how they are used, what they describe, and so on. Particularly if: - the other comes from a different culture; - cherished opinion is at stake; - someone has something to sell. I keep hoping we will rise above it, but somehow, if we do, it's only for a moment or so. Then back into the abyss. Single pole plant jump turn. Double pole plant jump turn. Use either. Use both. Keep tips on snow or don't. Your choice. Sigh. I need another beer.
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Thu 28-01-21 17:44
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@Old Fartbag Well, yes, me too. But he does do a great job of getting the pole out of the way in the video, doesn't he? Kind of underlines the need to practice and get that rhythm ingrained . . . ??
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Thu 28-01-21 17:32
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Re: Jump turns: double pole plant: another take on that here. Good to practice on easier terrain first, as shown, eh? http://youtu.be/BQyI7DcmXlM
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Sun 24-01-21 13:22
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@skimottaret Q. "Keep going, keep going, keep going . . . " NH?? (A damn fine tip IMO)
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Sun 24-01-21 11:45
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Tips - short turns in less groomy conditions. https://youtu.be/bxpGv3A63UM
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Sun 24-01-21 10:57
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A bit of Scottish skiing. 'Comfort Zones'. Fun Type 1. Fun Type 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=WL&v=8CUhSQMniYI https://youtu.be/8CUhSQMniYI
Poster: A snowHead
Sat 23-01-21 19:46
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@rob@rar Wow. Great thread + great posting. Please do keep it coming! Cheers; FG. PS: Still waiting for yer videos . .
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Sat 23-01-21 13:03
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@motdoc: Anecdotal, agreed that personal taste applies in this. Few years ago, found my self in a similar position, dissatisfied w.r.t. Lange boot pair sold to me by an, ahem, bootfitter. The stiffness problem for me was what @Clarky999 said above: the harsh ramping up/hitting the wall of the Langes when I got deeper into the flex. That's what you can expect with 2-piece boots. As I understand it, the boot relies, if there's anything other than a minor flex, on the cuff's distortion of the clog, which is basically crushing it down onto your foot. They have to make 'em with a stiffness 'wall', else yer feet end up in A&E. An, ahem, bootfitter, thought my problem could be fixed. I got him to cut the plastic. But I went shopping too. Next season I had both those Langes and a pair of Dalbello cambrios too. No contest. The Langes went to the recycling centre. Dalbello cabrio models can offer different adjustments/options - cuff stiffness, cant, a forward buckle ('width' of forefoot (I know)), walk mode, gripwalk, tongue. That's useful for selecting for personal preferences when buying, and adjustments in use. Agreed that personal taste applies in this. Happy feet, happier skier. Good luck.
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Fri 22-01-21 16:29
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@rob@rar Yay! Watching videos of me ski . . . is enormously helpful I think I've seen you ski in real life but I NEED MORE. C'mon. Lets have 'em. You know you want to. (This is snowHeads. You don't have to say anything but anything you do say will be taken out of context and used against you.)
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Thu 21-01-21 23:20
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@jedster: Yeah, some bits of that one can be really challenging. At one of the PSBs, I was on it quite high up, and a youth shot down all edges and style, and missed me by about a foot. Within 10 yards, he missed a female skier who was obviously competent by about the same margin. With some wit, she shouted after him: "Thanks so much for skiing so fast and close! And without a helmet!" We both skied down and passed him while he'd stopped. We were on the road above the last bit when he shot past again, same margin, same carving style. He managed one turn on the last bit and then lost it and crashed really hard, losing both skis and ended up in a crumpled heap not moving. I went over to check and he was moaning. I asked if he was OK and he moaned yes, so I left him. It's not good to laugh at the misfortunes of others, but I'm sure the gods of skiing were having a chuckle. (Rule 7?)
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Thu 21-01-21 22:46
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Old Fartbag: So true. An additional or parallel way is to learn from the mistakes of others. I find there's lots more to learn from that way; it's quicker and less painful than only from one's own.
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Thu 21-01-21 21:15
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^^Agreed. Does takes time, skill, mental and physical capability, motivation, and aptitude though. Oh no. I've done it again.
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Thu 21-01-21 18:50
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^^+1. I fell at the same spot too, having succeeded many many times both before and since. For once, artificial snowmaking was in progress . . . fill in the blanks. There were plenty of people going down, lots had fallen/were falling, same as me. After the end of my slide, which finished right at the bottom, I got a good talking to by an old Scottish guy in tatty gear, who got very angry. A very good lesson he gave me. Part of it was he said I was lucky not to slide into and crock another skier, never mind injuring myself that way. A lesson in judging risks not just to yourself, but the risk and consequences for others too if you screw up. Factors that may be missing in some of the more race-oriented adrenalin-types one sees. So ^^^+1 on the consequences of screwing up. Can't leave it alone. Kids get better quick from injuries, and I don't. I, like many others, don't bounce like a kid either. Nor do I want to find I've been hit by one, or by an adult who was going at Mach speed either, racer or not. Obviously a skier racing, or practicing for that, or for a qualification may need to carve and race down, but even in the latter circumstances, surely that's best kept within limits on slopes where others are skiing? And recreationally, it can be great fun, but also downright irresponsible. We don't all want to race. Most of us aren't able to ski with race technique when we're out there. Neither do all of us want to ski with race technique anyway. There are all kinds of skiers and skiing, and not just one. It isn't always a good idea to ski like a racer even if you are one, or a race coach. Nor to have just have one idea that you think is appropriate. Nor only one option. In practice what's appropriate, depends. Options are good.
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Thu 21-01-21 15:04
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@rob@rar; Cheers! Yeah; after I'd posted the above, I thought, someone's bound to ask: Well? How did you get down? Mostly much more slowly, using shorter, completed, and over-completed turns, with speed never building up to my 'red light' level, that were a lot more like . . . Braquage! (à la Joubert of course, not er, like yer Smith . . . ) https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=154597#4716827
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Thu 21-01-21 14:15
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^Liked the following. Nice one. 0) Sharp Edges. Wider, Lower stance. Work your way up from easier conditions. 1) On the new edge early. Don't extend in transition. Straighten the new outside leg. Smoothly. 2) Smooth build-up of force. Be patient. Roll over. Don't rotate the leg. 3) Separate. Upper body does not 'follow the skis'. Pinch the outside hip. 4) 'More flow less force'. Noted that this is: 'Pro Tips'. A lot of people on here would enjoy his kind of approach, or already do. But that's not ice he's skiing on, as I understand it? No doubt he can ski on that; he's in the national demo team. It would be nice to see him doing it on harder stuff tho'. The video is, I think, on nothing like so tricky a slope as those glassy blacks dropping into Arabba that some of us did in the twilight at the BB last Feb? Personally I wouldn't have been - and wasn't - prepared to risk using, there and then, the kind of dynamicism, speed and aggression that he's demo'ing with here. I didn't see anyone carving down those blacks at those speeds in those conditions, although somebody with fantastic technique, rock-hard physique, thighs and balls of steel, and the fitness and athleticism to do it accurately and safely after a full day would surely have come along if only I'd waited long enough. But that's not me, never can be; it was getting dark, and it was b'ing cold. Not how I got down. Stuff in video is OK for me on the easier stuff with hard snow bits in it though. There's a lot to be said for learning survival-skiing methods as well!
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Mon 18-01-21 13:04
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@Old Fartbag, .... Do you see Paul angulating his inner knee at all ? I think I see something that PL doesn't talk about, slight but significant, that increases the effectiveness and achieves good results, provided you've got good balance and is easier with traditional piste skis on IMO. {IMG59052_8431_left} My analysis: On lifting of the ski: when the skier is starting the turn, he is vertical and balanced moving across the slope on the new outside ski, so the skier's C of G is more or less directly over the centre of this outside ski. Because that ski is also sliding along its length across the slope, the resistance of that ski acts against the direction of travel through a spot either exactly, or very close to, a spot on the ski base vertically below the skier's C of G. No couple is produced so, if that was all that was happening, the skier would go straight on and there would not be any important turning effect. Lifting the new inside ski off the snow except for its tip creates an additional effect, which does create the turning effect. The resistance of the inside ski tip has a resistance against the snow which acts in the same direction, i.e. against the direction of travel and it inevitably has to act through a point offset from that point that is below the the skiers C of G on the other ski. This creates a moment, and consequently there is a some turning effect, and a natural reaction of the skier, by long-accustomed automatic balancing reflexes, causing him to angulate and drop the C of G slightly inside the turn. Once the turn is started that way, an edge angle develops and increases quite naturally and effortlessly, and the skier simply goes with it. What PL also does, is lift the tail and pull the heel in so it's touching the inside of the other leg, allowing the ski tails to cross, whilst keeping the new inside ski tip on the snow. This means the skis diverge, as can be seen in the stills. The knees are inevitably in practice blocked further apart than the tails. The tip width and the need to keep the skis from colliding means the tips are even further apart. That in turn :D means that the new inside ski tends to become slightly angulated to the inside of the intended turn WRT the other ski, which keeps more flat to the snow. This divergence and slight tipping create effects at the inside ski tip which exaggerate the above turning effect. The tip, having been slightly edged to the inside of the new turn, puts the resistance force further away from the C of G so the turning effort is increased. The concentration of pressure into a smaller area of the ski tip increases the drag resistance, which also helps. I think I saw all that in the video and the stills are an attempt to illustrate that. Some turning effect can also be obtained by instead dragging the tail of the new inside ski, but it's not normally recommended. Just for discussion really. Not trying to start a fight here. Also the first time I ended up with twin tips - the only ones left in the hire shop in my length - I was initially mystified by the trouble I was having. The tail rocker was preventing me lifting the tail over the other one - which I had probably been doing unconsciously - without getting it a lot higher off the snow than I was used to . . . ! Once I had figured that out, it was OK.
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Sun 17-01-21 19:44
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I hear he can touch his knees together behind his back. Useful for skiing out of tight spots without the faff of turning the body.
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Sun 17-01-21 19:24
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^ I think it's still ahead of its time based on the evidence of this thread. (Mostly. Got my edit above in while you were typing.)
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Sun 17-01-21 19:11
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In the WSS video linked above, when I watch in slo-mo, it looks like this: - In 'Braquage' at 1:06, to my eyes, he does get the skis square to the fall line OK, but his jacket zipper, shoulders and hips, all say that his pelvis doesn't stay facing directly down the fall line - they all rotate, and in the case of his hips, quite a lot; - In his 'Power Punch' exercise (I ask you) at 1:16, to my eyes his body does move down the fall line, his arms are flailing to keep his shoulders square which presumably is intended to impress; he tries hard to keep his hips more square but fails even then, and the angles of his skis say he never manages to get them square to the fall line. If, after WS had chosen the best of several takes he no doubt had, this is the best he can do to illustrate what he describes on his website and on the soundtrack, I think we are being misled. Surely he fails. BTW, I think see the same things happening in other WSS videos where he side-slips / braquages too. I don't see how Yoga-'industry'-like instructional videos that exaggerate even what kinds of contortions may be possible for more mobile and flexible people, can help most normal people to ski? I personally strongly dislike getting near the end of my movement range when making manoeuvres, since then, I'm then very vulnerable to getting injured one way or another. Also I was well advised on this by a very good ski instructor early on. It's true my mobility needs to improve, and I'm working on that too, but I've no intention of aiming for 90 degrees. Ever. For comparison here's a CSIA video showing something more human, in which shoulders and pelvis do rotate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJao53V1lo0 Personally, I'd much rather aim for that. Postscript. On a historical note which I expect some SHs won't like, G Joubert, who first described braquage and had it named after him, wrote a book 'Skiing, an Art, a Technique' which I have in front of me. On pages 302-303, he clearly describes the braquage movement, and states that it involves two phases. The first phase is one of foot-steering, where the upper body which includes the pelvis does not rotate, but the legs and skis do, and a second phase which he describes as 'passive pivoting', in which the skis continue to rotate across the hill and the entire body follows the skis. Seems good to me, and it's what I see in the CSIA video. Also, what we generally now call a 'hockey stop', Joubert calls a 'braquage stop', which seems to me to be a quite appropriate description and a big clue on how to achieve it. Doesn't the braquage turn look to be little more than a series of 'hockey stops' smoothly linked, without actually stopping? I think the braquage (or pivot-slip), although it certainly needs competent rotational movements, to my mind is not strictly a drill: it's more a technique that's really useful to have available in difficult circumstances.
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Sat 16-01-21 12:37
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Question from inexperienced skier off-piste here: Doesn't the skier go across a crack visible in the very first frame? (Easier to see in full screen. Edit: reading the YT comments, someone points out it's probably animal tracks that's seen rather than a crack. In later frames after the slide, the tracks can be seen crossing further upslope to the right. The tracks creating a weak point maybe?) Any thoughts?
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Fri 15-01-21 23:20
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Fri 15-01-21 16:46
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@Crevasse dweller Now I remember, PJ Proby used to wear something similar on stage. Could have explained some of those more admiring smiles. Right turn seemed a bit dodgy that week. I remember thinking at the time it must be the equipment. Now, there's something all these so-called analysis videos fail to mention. And something even the more hands-on instructors don't want to get to grips with.
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Fri 15-01-21 16:22
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@Richard Sideways Nearly right though. Once upon a time in 3V the zip on my ski jacket broke. My mate's girlfriend offered her spare thinking I'd got to say no. I don't like to waste money. So I skied the rest of the week in a bright shiny purple woman's one-piece. It was great. Except it was loose in bum area, tight at the crotch, waist and armpits, but plenty of room for the chest. Not a lot of pockets. I got a lot more smiles than usual from women in ski lifts that week. I'm sure it was admiration and support. My mate's girlfriend said only a man who was very confident of his sexuality would have dared. So there.
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Fri 15-01-21 16:10
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@Richard Sideways Suzy lent it to me before I put on weight. Kept it to remind me of her. ❤
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Fri 15-01-21 14:57
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I hope we all agree on here that this modern stuff isn't the answer to everything. And some of that music on modern videos. Ugh. Back when they used to have proper music . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCj7sPb3_FE&list=PLrumXH5J5Fle5PFdlgCOz8Pu_xRfndcW-&index=8&t=59s . . .and no pistes. Unless your mates stamped it flat with their skis.
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Fri 15-01-21 14:26
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@Richard Sideways: Arf. :D Here's Suzy. Again. Looks graceful enough? And her knees look all right to me. So does the rest of her too. This first one doesn't play directly on SH unfortunately. I believe it was made in 2011, which if it's right, would make her 65 at the time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uphebVncZ7o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l93ptBEHwF4
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Fri 15-01-21 13:10
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@Old Fartbag Re Phil Smith: are those PH/SCGB ones not among his ‘Snoworks’ videos then? {{edit} Is this the Phil Smith you referred to? https://www.snoworks.co.uk/about-snoworks/ https://www.youtube.com/user/SnoworksSkiCourses/featured -} Those are the ones I’ve already seen, and could have added here if I’d thought about it. Another thread mentions some of those other names. https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=150509
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Fri 15-01-21 12:58
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@Old Fartbag ooh lovely a video list . . bang on your own topic. Here was I getting short of things to watch . . I didn't recognize three of those names; most obliged: now there's plenty of stuff on the agenda! Hope we get some new contributors' favourites, who will also bring something to the party.
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Fri 15-01-21 0:35
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Not rippin' but pure Ol' School; PJ is poetry in motion IMO. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtLFy-lH8rk Christiana Leger. Mmmmmmmmmm Respect.
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Fri 15-01-21 0:02
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wGzVKl4oXM Annoying music, eh but, y'know lad . .
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Thu 14-01-21 20:12
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+1^^ “it's high time we had some more random drills off the internet“ Yes please. Love the ‘airplane’.
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Tue 12-01-21 15:58
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A favourite of mine. Cool. No sound unfortunately. https://youtu.be/gcs393efYmk I can't see much in the way of wasted effort. {edit} No no wait a minute. Just look at him. He's all wrong. Doesn't he know he should look like a robot skiing, and have a monotonous rhythm so he looks like an instructor's Youtube video? But no. Not him. Turns all inconsistent. Loses contact with the snow in transition. Back seat; front seat; no seat. Lands on the inside ski. Leans in. Leans back. Arms waving about. Arms behind him. Inclination and no angulation. Feet too close together. He's all over the place. Look. He wedels. He pushes the tails out. Skids. Ugh. And he skis off piste with the wrong equipment. Piste skis in deep snow, I ask you. What a dork. Get some wide planks idiot. If we gave him some shaped skis, he'd fall all over the place. I'm sure. Nothing would work. Worst of all, no helmet, no goggles. And not a logo in sight. His skiwear must be rubbish. He's going to die of hypothermia after hitting one of those trees. Well. Nothing to learn here. Maybe at après this guy can dance a bit, but his skiing's so old style, I've watched lots of Youtube technique videos and he has no idea how to ski. I expect he never won anything. He clearly needs lessons. Needs drills too. Learn to ski, for heaven's sake. And no soundtrack. Rubbish video. No no wait another minute. He's wonderful. Lots to learn. Repertoire and variety. Loose and stylish. Freedom and expression. Natural and unforced. Doesn't look like he's out to impress anyone, not even himself. Which would you rather be? {/edit}
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