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@Davina Goldballs, from vague memory didn't the club used to use a fairly cheap hotel in Tignes, and I have some recollection of a rumour of supported prices from the lift pass company to keep the business in the area. Not entirely surprised that the cost has increased, the question really is whether £3K represents value for money. Personally, it clearly doesn't to me, but then somebody must be paying it because otherwise they wouldn't exist I guess. As long as somebody keeps paying it then they will keep charging what they do. Is Zermatt the cheapest option for the course? Probably not. Do the members want to pay more to go to Switzerland instead of cheaper resorts in Italy, Austria, France or anywhere else? I guess so.
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It was £995 back in 1998. Twin rooms in a 3-star(ish) hotel in Tignes.
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The £1300 I paid in 2003 didn't include a lift pass, which is now included in the price.
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Davina Goldballs wrote:


But the last we heard from the SCGB was that they would continue the legal fight to have unqualified reps/leaders on the French slopes. Certainly if Brexit reduces the prospects for non-qualifying (in French eyes) BASI instructors teaching in France, then the prospects for SCGB reps would seem to be zilch in the extreme.


Well I'm just guessing about BASI instructors but clearly if freedom of movement ends it is going to get harder just to get a work permit.
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Digger the dinosaur wrote:
@Davina Goldballs, from vague memory didn't the club used to use a fairly cheap hotel in Tignes, and I have some recollection of a rumour of supported prices from the lift pass company to keep the business in the area. Not entirely surprised that the cost has increased, the question really is whether £3K represents value for money. Personally, it clearly doesn't to me, but then somebody must be paying it because otherwise they wouldn't exist I guess. As long as somebody keeps paying it then they will keep charging what they do. Is Zermatt the cheapest option for the course? Probably not. Do the members want to pay more to go to Switzerland instead of cheaper resorts in Italy, Austria, France or anywhere else? I guess so.


I think that the ski club wants as best as is possible to run the course in as snow sure a resort that is possible in December. When you take the French resorts out of the equation I think Zermatt becomes the best option but obviously more expensive.
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It wouldn't make sense to hold it in France anymore since France is where the issues are with Leaders.
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@stephen buck, Latterly it was in the Levanna, which was upgraded about a decade ago to a very decent 3 star in terms of facilities, the atmosphere has always been a bit lacking and the bar pricey. But @sethpistol, the lady owner was spitting feathers at ESF when she lost out.
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But @sethpistol, the lady owner was spitting feathers at ESF when she lost out.


'Hell hath no fury...', quite literally in her case wink
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Digger the dinosaur wrote:
@Davina Goldballs, from vague memory didn't the club used to use a fairly cheap hotel in Tignes, and I have some recollection of a rumour of supported prices from the lift pass company to keep the business in the area. Not entirely surprised that the cost has increased, the question really is whether £3K represents value for money. Personally, it clearly doesn't to me, but then somebody must be paying it because otherwise they wouldn't exist I guess. As long as somebody keeps paying it then they will keep charging what they do. Is Zermatt the cheapest option for the course? Probably not. Do the members want to pay more to go to Switzerland instead of cheaper resorts in Italy, Austria, France or anywhere else? I guess so.


I think that the ski club wants as best as is possible to run the course in as snow sure a resort that is possible in December. When you take the French resorts out of the equation I think Zermatt becomes the best option but obviously more expensive.


Cervinia? Much cheaper and literally the same terrain
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Not really. The wind closes the connexion. And the runs on the Cervinia side aren't at all the same thing, and the village isn't really the same thing either. Sure, check them both out, but I know which I'd pick. Especially early season, when you want guaranteed glacier access and that's what you get from the Swiss side.
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@Dave of the Marmottes, only visited Cervina for one day. The skiing there that I came across was bland in comparison with Zermatt's.
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I guess it depends if you are there for a course, or if you are there on a jolly. I've done courses in Hemel snowdome, it doesn't really matter for a lot of things whether the view is any good, whether the restaurants have lovely terraces, to run a leaders course how much terrain do you really need beyond a range of pistes (they don't go off piste any more, do they?) and accommodation and food that does its job.

All this said, if you have a £3k entry fee, it does rather keep the riff raff from signing up.
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Digger the dinosaur wrote:
I guess it depends if you are there for a course, or if you are there on a jolly. I've done courses in Hemel snowdome, it doesn't really matter for a lot of things whether the view is any good, whether the restaurants have lovely terraces, to run a leaders course how much terrain do you really need beyond a range of pistes (they don't go off piste any more, do they?) and accommodation and food that does its job.

All this said, if you have a £3k entry fee, it does rather keep the riff raff from signing up.


The usual inverted snobbery that snowHeads is so famous for. How much does a couple of weeks skiing with guides and instructors every day and staying half board normally cost? What courses have you been doing and how much did they cost?
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@Dave of the Marmottes, only visited Cervina for one day. The skiing there that I came across was bland in comparison with Zermatt's.


It's a training course not an extremeo gnar gnar tear up the most aggressive terrain contest & the point being that weather permitting you can access ofver to Zermatt terrain easily enough (& if weather not permitting I question whether you'd want to be in Zermatt's better terrain anyway. But I was only offering a counterpoint to we can't do it in France therefore Zermatt. It's really up to SKGB members whether they want to foot the bill etc - it may well be worth the price to them notwithstanding it clearly used to cost a lot less.
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Davina Goldballs wrote:
SCGB REPS (LEADERS) COURSE PRICES, OVER THE YEARS ...

2012 ... Tignes ..... "approx.£1350"
2015 ... Zermatt ... £2899
2016 ... Zermatt ... £2899
2017 ... Zermatt ... £2999


[see posting above for sources of prices quoted]

Gerry wrote:
£1300 is what I paid in 2003, so the Natives figures are wrong for the quoted year.


You've had 3 days to ascertain the correct information ... which couldn't be simpler, since you work for Freshtracks.
You said Natives got it wrong, so why haven't you asked Freshtracks for the correct information and presented it to us?
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@Davina Goldballs, what are you going on about you retarded little twot? £1300 is what I paid in 2003, therefore the figure given by natives is wrong.


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Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
.......It's a training course not an extremeo gnar gnar tear up the most aggressive terrain contest .........


When I was a member of the SCGB, I got the impression that the reps' course certainly did involve some gnarly skiing - on and off piste. Not surprising since, at suitable resorts, the rep's programme would have an off-piste day which would attract some very high standard skiers.
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achilles wrote:
Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
.......It's a training course not an extremeo gnar gnar tear up the most aggressive terrain contest .........


When I was a member of the SCGB, I got the impression that the reps' course certainly did involve some gnarly skiing - on and off piste. Not surprising since, at suitable resorts, the rep's programme would have an off-piste day which would attract some very high standard skiers.


Yeah, Phil Smith likes to push people on with their technique. Maybe he needs to talk to Dave of the Muppets though, as he clearly knows best.
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@mcspreader, I reckon they will eventually fall in love and get married. Remember how mean you were to a girl you fancied when you were nine?

Davina needs to get his butt plug out though. Gerry asked stantroll for a date a couple of days ago. At this rate Davina could end up being a barren spinster. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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@mcspreader, I reckon they will eventually fall in love and get married. Remember how mean you were to a girl you fancied when you were nine?

Davina needs to get his butt plug out though. Gerry asked stantroll for a date a couple of days ago. At this rate Davina could end up being a barren spinster. Laughing Laughing Laughing


You owe me for half a regular Americano ......... and a new keyboard Toofy Grin
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Red Leon wrote:
Thornyhill wrote:
@mcspreader, I reckon they will eventually fall in love and get married. Remember how mean you were to a girl you fancied when you were nine?

Davina needs to get his butt plug out though. Gerry asked stantroll for a date a couple of days ago. At this rate Davina could end up being a barren spinster. Laughing Laughing Laughing


You owe me for half a regular Americano ......... and a new keyboard Toofy Grin


Yet it still seems to be working. Anyway, stop licking TH's back bottom, dogs do that.
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Gerry wrote:
achilles wrote:
Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
.......It's a training course not an extremeo gnar gnar tear up the most aggressive terrain contest .........


When I was a member of the SCGB, I got the impression that the reps' course certainly did involve some gnarly skiing - on and off piste. Not surprising since, at suitable resorts, the rep's programme would have an off-piste day which would attract some very high standard skiers.


Yeah, Phil Smith likes to push people on with their technique. Maybe he needs to talk to Dave of the Muppets though, as he clearly knows best.


I stand corrected - no doubt a string of SCGB reps will be dominating the podium at the next FWT.
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Gerry wrote:
Red Leon wrote:
Thornyhill wrote:
@mcspreader, I reckon they will eventually fall in love and get married. Remember how mean you were to a girl you fancied when you were nine?

Davina needs to get his butt plug out though. Gerry asked stantroll for a date a couple of days ago. At this rate Davina could end up being a barren spinster. Laughing Laughing Laughing


You owe me for half a regular Americano ......... and a new keyboard Toofy Grin


Yet it still seems to be working. Anyway, stop licking TH's back bottom, dogs do that.


I had a madras and 14 pints of Guinness last night. (see posting time). The dog won't even come into the same room today.

Anyway - Red Leon...I've posted you a regular Americano and half a keyboard. I only had one jiffy bag but I hope it works out......

oh...wait
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Open message to sH moderators ...

I assume that the moderation strategy applied to snowHeads these days is 'self moderation' or 'community moderation'. That's absolutely fine if it's fairly and equally applied. We can all drink to that.

Open message to Gerry Aitken ...

Four senior officials of the Ski Club of Great Britain received the email below, earlier this week.
You've now had 5 days to ascertain the price of the 2012 SCGB reps course in Tignes ... as above ... so we can resolve whether Natives' report of 20 July 2012 was right or you are right (that they were "wrong"). You seem to have an issue with 'journalism' generally, so why not do it better?

More generally you've had about 15 years of 'social media' to reform yourself into a regular reasonable member of the human race - in other words, to be sociable about things - and to behave in a manner appropriate to an organisation which has a member of the Royal Family (The Duke of Kent) as its patron. You are, after all, a uniformed representative of the SCGB (est. 1903) and a former director.

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[Addressees: 4 senior SCGB officials, names redacted]


Gentlemen,

7th email concerning Gerry Aitken

Just to alert you that the following posting will appear on the snowHeads forum later today, with your names redacted, unless I hear from you during today. This matter will then be escalated if not dealt with.
I am not contactable today, except by email.
Regards, David Goldsmith

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Ski Club of Great Britain

Gentlemen,

This is the 7th email I've sent the SCGB since November 2015 concerning the abuse, libel and general offensiveness of your representative and former director Gerry Aitken. [as you know, this has been kept private until now, but there has been no response at all from the Club to any of these communications].

Most recently Gerry Aitken has specifically referred to a report by Natives in 2012 which quoted the price of the 2012 SCGB reps course in Tignes as "approx £1350". Aitken says this was "wrong".

Since Gerry Aitken works for Freshtracks and has ready access to your archived information, I politely pointed that out to him that he could correct the Natives information with the correct information, as researched. His response was "what are you going on about you retarded little twot?". Specifically ...

Gerry wrote:
what are you going on about you retarded little twot?

Source: http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=94856&start=4600#3085371

The alternative actions you need to take concerning this person are pretty obvious - at the very minimum, some re-education/re-training (perhaps a 'SCGB Leader Course module in Public Relations') ... and you could kindly suggest to him that an apology is in order. But really, of course, you need to take much more assertive and clear action about this man's appalling conduct, which has led to several resignations of SCGB members and which has damaged the Club's image so greatly.

Regards

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@limegreen1, sorry, what are you referring to as pathetic?

David Goldsmith's post?

The lack of response from Ski Club?

Gerry Aitkin's conduct as a representative of the above?

Something else I've not picked up on?

We're not mind readers!
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@limegreen1, sorry, what are you referring to as pathetic?


The entire thread I should imagine. It should really be on the SCGB forum, but I guess nobody reads that, so their internal squabbles have to be aired here. Pathetic, and adds nothing to SH.
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@maggi, The pathetic bit is two idiots arguing over nothing. They have been back biting each other for several years and haven't realised that everyone else is laughing at them for being brain dead. HtH wink
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"Pathetic" ?

The only truly pathetic input to this thread was the opening post (or OPP=opening pathetic post) by an apparent employee of the SCGB ...

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Wow, Ski Club of Great Britain have re-launched their chat forum and it looks good. Simple sign-up, you don't need to become a member plus they seem to have introduced profiles as well. Well this will be fun, who's going to jump ship and start using the Tea Club forum then?[/url]


... who strangely referred to his/her masters as "the Tea Club". It struck me as odd at the time (2012) for the Ski Club of Great Britain - which I originally joined in 1962, served as an elected member of its council, and worked under six successive editors of its magazine - to be putting out a corporate message that demeans its status to a community that discusses tea bags. Let's be serious for a moment: if the staff of an organisation which once led the world in recreational skiing and whose most famous member established the international rules of Alpine ski racing, nickname their Club as "the Tea Club" ... isn't that just a bit worrying?

The SCGB has every means at its disposal to restore its relevance and status, so it's a mystery as to why this is not happening.

telford_mike wrote:
Is there any particular reason why this thread isn't simply deleted? It seems to exist only to serve the egos of a few sad old men.

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maggi wrote:
@limegreen1, sorry, what are you referring to as pathetic?

The entire thread I should imagine. It should really be on the SCGB forum, but I guess nobody reads that, so their internal squabbles have to be aired here. Pathetic, and adds nothing to SH.


"telford_mike", please declare your interests! Your repeated calls for censorship, or effective censorship, are likely to fall upon deaf eyes. The current score of this 5-year-strong thread is almost 300,000 hits from around 5,000 posts. That's a very healthy average of 60 hits per new post, with (it's believed) hundreds of satisfied snowHeads taking a more occasional interest in the unfolding yarn. Most importantly, loads of everyday sHs and trolls contribute interesting points of view to this discussion. If people want to read something, and talk about something, why shovel it into the circular filing cabinet?

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Surely some mistake. Is this an opportunity for a time lord?
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I can exclusively reveal that telford_mike may well really be Dr. Evil, who is even now stroking a cat whilst plotting World domination! Shocked

Alternatively he may just be another snowHead who deprecates the never ending DG/Gerry slanging match . Madeye-Smiley
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@Davina Goldballs, actual cost of the 2012 course was 2299. I got that figure directly from two people who were on the course.
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As further evidence of how non-pathetic this 5-year thread actually is ... here's a comparison with another high-volume snowThread ...

NEW SKI CLUB OF GREAT BRITAIN CHAT FORUM -V- BREXIT

New Ski Club of Great Britain Chat Forum


Pages: 116
Posts: 4631
Number of contributors (last 3 pages): 34
Views: 299,230
Views per post: 64.61

Brexit

Pages: 328
Posts: 13,112
Number of different contributors (last 3 pages): 21
Views: 166,878
Views per post: 12.72

In other words, the number of active posters, rubberneckers, insomniacs, robots and ordinary members of the human race on this SCGB thread seems to outnumber the Brexit thread by a factor of up to 5. Both threads maintain a healthy rate of participation, but fascination with the future of the Ski Club of Great Britain (it does, after all, concern skiing not politics) continues unabated.
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@Davina Goldballs, I don't think the future of the SCGB is of the remotest interest to the bulk of this thread's readers. What is fascinating is the mud-bath wrestling between you and Gerry.
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More like old grannies having a handbag fight.

I'm not viewing it because of SCGB content, or thread interest. I'm viewing it for the popcorn worthy scrap. I know I'm not alone.
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Kill and erase the thread
Ban Comedy Gobshite and Gerry if they try to resurrect it
Time for us all to move on
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achilles wrote:
What is fascinating is the mud-bath wrestling between you and Gerry.


As this is a snow related forum I think snow on the ground rather than mud is more appropriate for a tussle between the two protagonists, maybe a bit like these bighorn sheep with their headbutting bonanaza.....


http://youtube.com/v/E6Fx3CaJhgk



Madeye-Smiley
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@Alastair Pink, those rams look a bit butch for David and Gerry! Laughing
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@maggi, I thought that - but you came out with the right words Laughing
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Davina Goldballs wrote:


In other words, the number of active posters, rubberneckers, insomniacs, robots and ordinary members of the human race on this SCGB thread seems to outnumber the Brexit thread by a factor of up to 5. Both threads maintain a healthy rate of participation, but fascination with the future of the Ski Club of Great Britain (it does, after all, concern skiing not politics) continues unabated.


Davina....no-one gives a flying fuck about the thread content. We just come here to point and laugh at you and Gerry. Is that difficult to understand?
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