To my mind carving is leaving parallel 'railroad' tracks in the snow.
What I saw in your video is too much balance on the inside of the turn on the uphill ski with narrowing at the tails and deflection at the tips resulting in a 'herringbone' shape.
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Mike Pow wrote:
What I saw in your video is too much balance on the inside of the turn on the uphill ski with narrowing at the tails and deflection at the tips resulting in a 'herringbone' shape.
Thanks for commenting.
Yep me too, but that's to be expected given that I'm not extending my outside leg effectively and remaining too flexed at the knees & lack forward lean at the waist.
There's deficient pedalling action and so the transfer is late and somewhat staccato.
The timing, rate & range of my movements can be improved on vastly. But to my mind that's ok for someone at my level.
I used the title "carving" simply for referencing my edits, perhaps "railing or edged turns" would be more apt due to me not actively decambering and accurately piloting the skis through the arc due to the above.
It'll come.
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Mike Pow wrote:
To my mind carving is leaving parallel 'railroad' tracks in the snow.
Yes, but technically it could also be one clean track in the snow, eg from a snowboard or a skier on one edge (be that the inside or outside edge) with the other ski in the air (or left behind on the mountain (either due to accidental release or as an exercise)).
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lampbus wrote:
Mike Pow wrote:
To my mind carving is leaving parallel 'railroad' tracks in the snow.
Yes, but technically it could also be one clean track in the snow, eg from a snowboard or a skier on one edge (be that the inside or outside edge) with the other ski in the air (or left behind on the mountain (either due to accidental release or as an exercise)).
Would love to see the vid of one ski clean carving from a recreational skier.
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I'd like to see it from an Instructor
Do you have demo vids Mike?
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I did A LOT of one ski carving during my L2, but sadly I don't seem to have any video of it, just 2 skis carving!
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franzClammer wrote:
I'd like to see it from an Instructor
Do you have demo vids Mike?
Born with two legs, use them both.
Don't do 1 leg/ski drills. The odd uphill foot/ski tapping when needed.
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@Pedantica, just teasing, good that you fell over having a go !!
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Nah! skiing on one ski is the sign of a true cheapskate
They will do anything to save money
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@skimottaret, guess it depends what you're having a go at. I only fell over twice on the Birthday Bash. The first time I was trying to step into my ski and missed. The second time I was standing stock still, talking to someone. There is no honour in such falls, at least yours are incurred in the honourable pursuit of showing off excellence.
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@skimottaret,Bravo that man, respect due. Someone who puts their money where their mouth is
This is not quite one legged carving or 360's
More sight seeing on planks than skiing really.
Ooh, that looks good, I don't think I could do it particularly on my Gotamas.
It is hard to tell from the camera angle, but it looks like you ware a little weight back and the turns were achieved by shoving the tail of the ski about. (I don't know the technical term for that - steering by twisting the ski? or skidded turns?)
Before my ACL damage/repair, I was able to just about carve on both edges of the same ski (either) for perhaps 10 turns on green grade slopes. I was finding that I was starting to control the carve radius, and also break in/out of a skidded turn, on my old volkl 5*s
Since then, I have been busy learning other skiing technique, and mostly on my wide&long Gotamas, which combined with a certain caution means I have not got on my outside edges properly for a few years...there is always more to learn / relearn in skiing.
Yes, most of us have two skis & legs, and most of my skiing is done that way...but there is always the odd time when the terrain catches one out and being able to recover poise using those unusual edges from way-out-west (or east) has been very useful.
It has to happen instinctively in the moment, so needs practice in controlled tests.
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Don't know how I achieved the turns as I was just farting about.... Probably a little back at the end as I didn't want to kill the cameraman So if the camera angle doesn't allow you tell where the weight is have a look at the tracks left in the snow. Do they imply the ski skidding or do the tracks in the snow look clean and cut by an edged ski?
Point being is just do, don't think too much, your body will work it out, right @franzclammer ?
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@skimottaret,
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Don't know how I achieved the turns as I was just farting about
Substitute the words 'musical line' for 'turns' in the above, and it is exactly the phrase I used to my singing teacher about two hours ago. She was a bit shocked.
I saw a race team in courchevel 1650 doing what I can only describe as the reverse of the stork drill, they were carving down a gentle blue (ariondaz) at speed but always lifting the downhill ski before the next turn I was next to then and the were definitely not skidding.
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@meh, I think that one is different to what @ansta mentions but all theses single leg drills are very useful for edging skills, movements and lateral balance.
I don't like posting random drills but I like this clip as there is a very detailed description by the athlete as to her understanding of it and why it works for her. I wouldn't recommend this variation for recreational skiers but @ansta was it something like this ?
FC - that's not carving. You're kicking your heels out to initiate a turn, and sliding round. Your body is very immobile (possibly because you're trying to hold a camera on yourself?), and you're neither rolling your ankles to help your skis over, nor angulating at all to use your edges.
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franzClammer wrote:
Mike Pow wrote:
What I saw in your video is too much balance on the inside of the turn on the uphill ski with narrowing at the tails and deflection at the tips resulting in a 'herringbone' shape.
Thanks for commenting.
Yep me too, but that's to be expected given that I'm not extending my outside leg effectively and remaining too flexed at the knees & lack forward lean at the waist.
There's deficient pedalling action and so the transfer is late and somewhat staccato.
The timing, rate & range of my movements can be improved on vastly. But to my mind that's ok for someone at my level.
I used the title "carving" simply for referencing my edits, perhaps "railing or edged turns" would be more apt due to me not actively decambering and accurately piloting the skis through the arc due to the above.
It'll come.
Just saw your post stating that your "carving" vid was not meant to be of you carving - OK, fair enough!
I get the distinct impression from your posts, and indeed this whole thread, that you have learned what all of these technical terms you use in your posts mean, but have limited ideas how to really put them into practice, or what they mean to interact together. You seem to have nailed various tricks and techniques, but seem to struggle to put them together into a coherent whole and leap to the next level?
Warren Smith or similar, my friend! And get into bumps and off-piste with an instructor - it will bring you on loads more than a fridge can. Et bonne chance
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@franzClammer, Must say, you're looking alot more comfortable and relaxed on your skis.
How do you feel after the 2 consecutive weeks? I reckon you're in a comfort zone...Time to hit a few mogul fields
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@Harry Flashman, Yeh it's easier to talk the talk than walk the walk.
I know I have forced the techniques and fundamentals, this is my 4th winter skiing and so definitely lack the mileage/years to allow for flow and consistency to naturally develop in my performance.
@ALQ, I did indeed get into some black bumps with an instructor from Marmalade for a couple of mornings, I did develop my transition and learn to extend a bit more, applying pressure from much earlier and trying to transfer seamlessly from one ski to the other, but I'd given up filming by that time and then alas it was time to come home.
Thanks for your comments guys
Here's some footage from the 1st couple of days.
@meh, I think that one is different to what @ansta mentions but all theses single leg drills are very useful for edging skills, movements and lateral balance.
I don't like posting random drills but I like this clip as there is a very detailed description by the athlete as to her understanding of it and why it works for her. I wouldn't recommend this variation for recreational skiers but @ansta was it something like this ?
I love doing those and also Whitepass Turns. Sooo much fun!
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skimottaret wrote:
@meh, I think that one is different to what @ansta mentions but all theses single leg drills are very useful for edging skills, movements and lateral balance.
I don't like posting random drills but I like this clip as there is a very detailed description by the athlete as to her understanding of it and why it works for her. I wouldn't recommend this variation for recreational skiers but @ansta was it something like this ?
Is there any purpose to the double pole plant she does in that vid?
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the drill in that video might be a bit much for many of us, but I guess it's similar to doing a one-legged drill at a slower and more manageable speed, just picking up the inside ski earlier in the turn as you get better at it? The key is waiting patiently and not rushing the turn, I suppose. Which she mentions.