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abd,
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whilst doing either braquage or sideslips do you want to have a completely flat ski?
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If that's the only way to get the skis to slide down the slope, then yes, intermittently. (But I know nothing.)
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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So, here's a question for everyone to argue about: whilst doing either braquage or sideslips do you want to have a completely flat ski? Debate |
It depends 
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| abd wrote: |
| So, here's a question for everyone to argue about: whilst doing either braquage or sideslips do you want to have a completely flat ski? Debate |
No! I prefer my skis to be curled up at the ends 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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DB, 
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Sideslips - no - are you nuts?
Bracquage apparently contrsry to my previous understanding based on rob's version -yes.
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Dave of the Marmottes,
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Sideslips - no - are you nuts?
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Obviously not on a steep slope. But otherwise?
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No the proper sideslip aesthically involves the creation of micro corduroy. Without edging there is no side. I'm not overly convinced of pure flat bases at anytime being a useful skill, beyond transitionally, if you're not a speed or park skier.
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Dave of the Marmottes, well yes, that's why I said 'intermittently' - the corduroy is created by flattening/edging, flattening/edging. Or am I missing something?
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Dave of the Marmottes, you ever ski in moguls and have to rotate your skis under you?
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Sure. But it's transitional not the raison d'etre. I'll freely admit that I'm a little base averse which is why my only encounters with boxes on both skis and board have resulted in big bruises. There's security in a bit of edge and things can go pearshaped pretty quickly when you don't have it.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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The same trainer that taught me that exercise also suggested that, in braquage, you should avoid going beyond 45° to either side. Sadly, I never quizzed him as to why. Possibly because it encourages the skier to sit back - I dunno. |
The leg has a limited range of motion within the hip socket. Once you reach this limit then the upper body has to become involved if you want to keep the ski twisting and this is not the point of the exercise.
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You know it makes sense.
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franzClammer, hi mate, sorry to pinch your thread, but it gets a lot of traffic and I hope your won't mind. There is a fairly new SH - Styler who I encouraged to post some video in the hope of getting some feedback. They have done so here http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=112982#2591002 I do hope some of our instructors might do some of that productive feedback you are all so good at for them. In fact fC you might even be able to help them yourself?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Megamum, non preoccuparti Bella 
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Poster: A snowHead
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Kenny, that rings a bell. Perhaps I knew and just forgot.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Dave of the Marmottes, right so if working a flat ski is an important component in skiing moguls well why not drill that skill so it becomes second nature when you need to do it?
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Yep - I get it. I guess I'm only identifying the fact that drills are generally for the purposes of practicising an element and there is a difference from real world skiing. I can't think of many real world circumsatnces where flat base braquage would be seriously employed - if you're somewhere tight enough to need to be pivoting round so acutely chances are you'd want to be getting an edge in pretty sharpish too.
That and perhaps a feeling that thanks to the cult of Wozzer braquage might be something that is slightly overdone and that there is a danger that pupils go away thinking that being good at the drill is the point in itself rather than learning and blending control of the element (not suggesting that you don't contextulise things properly of course )
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We are singing off the same hymn sheet then another thing to consider is doing drills on a flat ski like pivot slips are not a means to an end to learn but rather done to encourage other useful movements. By eliminating edging completely you must use a different movement to turn the skis that is typically missing in most late intermediates and advanced skiers... Warren may over egg that a bit but it is a useful skill to possess. I use another flat ski drill for a completely different purpose and although simple in theory most advanced skiers would struggle with it...
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| I use another flat ski drill for a completely different purpose and although simple in theory most L1 instructors like FC would struggle with it... |
Is that the sound of a gauntlet thrown down?
Do show me at least before pigeon holeing "L1's Like Me"  elaborate please
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oops sorry have edited post
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| skimottaret wrote: |
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Would have preferred the demo
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So what's the drill and what's the purpose (beyond ritual humiliation or instructor showing off -which we take as a given )?
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skimottaret, thanks Scott. Am working to open the knee without heel lift at the mo. Will give that a bash 🎿
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I'm trying to get into a more outcome focused mindset.
I'm finding that the elements and phases of my turns are easier to manage if I think of them as outcomes. Eg. Flex & Extend in response to forces, Inclination of skis & Angulation as a result of the turning arc and slope aspect, Pressure on O/S ski as a result of the rotary/Edging of the skis and lightening of the I/S Ski.
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Perhaps first try to flex up and down on dry land with one foot off the deck while in ski boots, then see if you can do little hops without losing balance, once able to do that try hopping on one foot on a flat slope without moving, then progress to doing it while moving down the slope, then do it without poles, alternating legs, switch etc (youget the picture...) Functional ski fitness and balance are important parts of skiing that get overlooked
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You know it makes sense.
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| franzClammer wrote: |
| I'm trying to get into a more outcome focused mindset. |
Excellent. Thinking about varying your focus to include inputs and outputs is good for your development (and good for your teaching, I'd guess). Focusing exclusively on one aspect or the other means you miss out on using an important tool.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| Perhaps first try to flex up and down on dry land with one foot off the deck while in ski boots, then see if you can do little hops without losing balance, once able to do that try hopping on one foot on a flat slope without moving, then progress to doing it while moving down the slope, then do it without poles, alternating legs, switch etc (youget the picture...) Functional ski fitness and balance are important parts of skiing that get overlooked |
Umm . . . some people don't ski in boots made by Ugg . . .
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Poster: A snowHead
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no but they should be able to flex the boots they ski in...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I've been in hibernation for the summer and come back to find franzClammer, has passed his BASI Lv 1 and seems to be teaching?! Well done! Flicked back to the start of this thread and watched your compilation video, highlights how far you've come in a relatively short amount of time. What the plans next? Lv 2? I think I might have considered giving it a go just as a challenge but live 2.5 hours from the closet fridge so doesn't really make sense as it would be difficult to get the shadowing hours in.
However seeing as though I'm increasingly doing most of my skiing solo getting some instructor qualifications and working for a company like Interski for 2-4 weeks a season might be up my street in future. We'll see anyhow.
May I ask what you do for a day job franzClammer, ? I'm always interested to hear how people manage there ski time around work/family commitments.
My wife came in the other day and said we should take 6 months off and go and do a season, however it's too short notice for this season so hoping for next!
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Notice two things:
1. How gentle the slope is.
2. How difficult is is to not look at the skis
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some people don't ski in boots made by Ugg . . .
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but we should be able to hop? Easiski uses a lot of hopping exercises - knackering, but frightfully good for one! Then she tells some people that their boots are too stiff and/or ankles not sufficiently mobile. I bet a lot of people do have boots that are too stiff (though this can also be down to a poorly fitting boot, I think I read recently on another thread).
I also did one-footed exercises on a shallow track, with Fastman, shifting weight fore and aft. Must try to add in a hop - though I'm not sure I'll be able to do it, I find even two footed hopping hard work. Useful stuff to do on flat bits. Spinning round and going backwards is, too, but I can't do that, can't spin at all these days, even on a floor in a pair of socks. But that needs flat skis too. FC is rather good at it, judging from some of his videos.
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| Bene wrote: |
| My wife came in the other day and said we should take 6 months off and go and do a season, however it's too short notice for this season so hoping for next! |
Get it in writing.
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Woohoo. Nice to see you back. I was starting to worry you'd disappeared.
Here's my thoughts for what they're worth:
1. Much nicer. More weight going on your outside ski although I can clearly see you're doing it by lifting the inside leg (and it's not just when you're doing the drills)
2. As someone else keeps saying, I'd rather see you stand on the uphill ski at the start of the turn rather than just lift the inside leg. Standing on the uphill / outside leg shifts your body weight and encourages a more dynamic movement that will help you apply the appropriate edge pressure at the right points in your turn. i.e. it will lighten the pressure at the start of the turn and help you apply more pressure where it's needed during the second half of the turn.
Mike
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@franzClammer, have you've put the vid up to get some more feedback? Got some thoughts, but what do you see? What 1 thing do you want to work on?
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