 Poster: A snowHead
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We have updated our guidelines to skiing "levels" and would welcome any suggestions or comments.
It has been real difficult to put together some simple guidelines to clearly differentiate skiers into distinct levels, most "level" systems we have seen you could slot into numerous bits of several levels
We use this when trying to put skiers in groups for training , not as a way to hand out tufty badges or certificates 
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Thu 22-12-11 13:52; edited 1 time in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I would say that about sums it up, and i am defo a number 7.
Problem is i think i will always be a 7
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I'm a 6 who thinks he's a 9 
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Athletes and Instructor Trainers,
"I am a fluid skier with a unique style"
I have been told I skimwith a unique style. What does this say about my ability? 
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skimottaret, IMO there's a slight usability problem with all that expanding and sliding around on the page. When you're trying to determine whether - say - you're a 7 or an 8, and some of the differences are fairly subtle, it's hard to do an A/B comparison, because you have to keep chopping and changing between them.
Maybe a table format would be a good idea? Sort of like
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LEVEL 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
X X X X X X X X X CAN SKI GREEN RUNS
X X X X X X X X CAN SKI BLUE RUNS
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and so on.
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I think it's a pretty good attempt at classifying the unclassifiable!
I am somewhere between 7 and 10, depending on how tired I am, visibility and who I am skiing with. Equally, I am never likely to have an interest in race training or in instructing but I do need to ski with better skiers than me in order to take (sensibly judged) risks in terms of more challenging lines, air time, tighter trees ...
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A video clip of each of the levels would be useful. Thats what I usually look for on ski school website.
Alternatively some pictures which roughly represent the standard of each level would be nice.
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paulio, fair point on the back and forth nature of the "accordian" format we used. we tried a table but it wasnt too clear and previous lists were just too long and looked lousy on browsers. I might just add a PDF downloadable version so people can compare a bit easier..
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Just add an 'expand all' button?
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Elston, stay tuned We are going to compile some "real world" footage of skiers at each level but the problem is we will need to get permission for this and people tend not to like being labelled as levels X's on line !!
We were going to simulate the various levels ourselves but I dont feel that works well and other schools already do that using instructors demoing.
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paulio, it is a third party piece of code and that (very sensible option) doesnt exist, it is either one open or none open but an expand all is available yet...
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skimottaret, Are the changes significant? I think I am still firmly a 6 working towards a 7 and the description for a 6 seems similar to what was there before. If you're looking for a comment there seems quite a leap from 5-6 given some of the more subtle changes, particularly, in the earlier levels.
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You know it makes sense.
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Actually you need a Bruce Lee style, which is my style because to quote a line from Enter the Dragon spoof Kentucky fried movie
"What is your style"
I ski with the style of no style"
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| paulio wrote: |
| Just add an 'expand all' button? |
+1. Very irritating otherwise. Particularly if somebody who has done one week's skiing has had to click his way through five sections before he realises he counts as a 6.
I reckon 6, 7 and 8 cover most British skiers [waits to be flamed] doing a week or two a year. (Yers, some people will never get past a '3'.) It always amuses me to see how close together most people are in terms of ability - it must make separating your groups for ski school quite difficult. Indeed, I'm not very convinced by group lessons, personally, for exactly that reason. Past complete beginner stage people want completely different outcomes. But I'm digressing.
Last edited by Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name: on Thu 22-12-11 14:25; edited 1 time in total
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Poster: A snowHead
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I ski "tiger style".
i.e. after eating all the cakes and drinking all the beer.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Megamum, mainly the changes are to do with off piste skiing, we are finding on our alpine coaching trips people are doing more side of the piste/ deep snow on piste type of skiing earlier in their progression than we had previously had listed.
there is a big jump from 5 to 6 , and we tend to find a jump from 6 to 7 as well....
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I'm a happy 7. But I don't have any off-piste ambitions and I quite like bumps. 
Last edited by Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? on Thu 22-12-11 14:31; edited 1 time in total
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I am a 6 who is happy to stay a 6 as long as their is plenty of snow, mountain restaurants and sunshine.......
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You should add a note to it that says "once you have determined your skiing level using this page, please subtract 1 from it if you are female and subtract 3 if you are male'
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I think that's a great classification, really easy to place myself in it. Expand all would be helpful, as mentioned above.
As you said, there's a fair jump from 6 to 7 but also a fair jump from 7 to 8 I think.
One typo I noticed on Level 11, pretty sure "dynamicsm" isn't a word... Dynamism?
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paulio, I just love that observation!!
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| paulio wrote: |
| You should add a note to it that says "once you have determined your skiing level using this page, please subtract 1 from it if you are female and subtract 3 if you are male' |
Perfect ! 
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skimottaret, no I don't ski off-piste at all. By bumps I mean the moguls that form on piste. The harder and icier the better! I'm not a fan of soft and/or slushy stuff. I realise this is potentially a skill that someone like you could help me with! But at present I am just a happy holiday skier.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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skimottaret, Did you know that as you click through the calendar it does not show which month you are on, therefore requiring the viewer to keep count?
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I showed the previous version of that page to a mate of mine, who did his first week with my usual group of ruffians last Jan. I say 'week', he never did what I would call a full day, had a couple of days off... I would say he did 3 days spread over the week.
He reckoned his level was 'nearly 5'.
I laughed at him.
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You know it makes sense.
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paulio, usually when going on holidays is add +1 for female, males alone about right, males coming on a trip with mates -3
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Megamum wrote: |
| skimottaret, Did you know that as you click through the calendar it does not show which month you are on, therefore requiring the viewer to keep count? |
not sure i follow you... are you referring to the "whats on" calendar on the home page? if so that should show the dates as Tuesday, 27 December etc...
bobmcstuff, have dynamically fixed that... tah
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Poster: A snowHead
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skimottaret, Ahh..........there is a subtle difference - if you actually click on the picture you get a pop up window showing the dates as you describe - however, if you click on the highlighted words 'what's on' you get a different view where it doesn't show the dates in that way - I'd clicked on the words!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Megamum, thanks, that is a bug and i will look into fixing it. 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| paulio wrote: |
I showed the previous version of that page to a mate of mine, who did his first week with my usual group of ruffians last Jan. I say 'week', he never did what I would call a full day, had a couple of days off... I would say he did 3 days spread over the week.
He reckoned his level was 'nearly 5'.
I laughed at him. |
Why? His choices are 'i can snowplough on the nursery slopes' => 4 or 'i have been on some blues and tried to parallel' =>5. I'd expect most learners to be off the nursery slopes in 3 days skiing and I'd be suprised if any male friend of mine came back from a week without being fairly happy on blues and trying to parallel, not competent you understand, but happy enough on them....Most of the beginners I go out with (and there are at least 1 or 2 every year due to the size of the group) are usually 'often parallel' and 'been on a red or two' by the end of the first week if the snow is good.
I think you've got a gap between 4 and 5 skimottaret? Somewhere you need 'I'm venturing onto blues' - it's one of the first major milestones? Maybe change 4 to be 'on greens and venturing onto blues'? 'Confident on blues' as you have for lvl5 usually takes a second trip ime, more for some people.
aj xx
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Because it was funny. You had to be there.
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I think by classifying skiers by the difficulty of run they attempt is misleading.....makes me think everytime I read a Snow and Rock guide or ski school bumpf! This is supposed to be a way of determining a skiiers level of ability, not how brave they are.
A much more reliable way of classifying skiing ability has to be something like this....
1 - Never touched a pair of skis.
2 - Can snowplough stop
3 - Can make linked snowplough turns
4 - Can make parallel turns
5 - Can make parallel turns on different terrain/conditions
6 - Can carve turns
7 - Can carve turns on different terrain/conditions
8 - Expert in all techniques
9 - BASI Qualified/Racer/Expert.
Sub catergories can be for off-piste.
Your thoughts.....??
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| paulio wrote: |
Because it was funny. You had to be there. |
 Fair enough.
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a.j., One of the problems is in Switzerland they don't have greens - only blue, red and black over there.
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| a.j. wrote: |
I think you've got a gap between 4 and 5 skimottaret? Somewhere you need 'I'm venturing onto blues' - it's one of the first major milestones? Maybe change 4 to be 'on greens and venturing onto blues'? 'Confident on blues' as you have for lvl5 usually takes a second trip ime, more for some people.
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good point , have tried to improve the Level 4 , any better?
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speedy, agreed and we have tried to address that by what you can do and what we see , it is more about skill level for us not "what can you get down" , on alpine trips we also aska series of ?'s on what you most enjoy and the type of skier you are to further break the levels down... an experienced but nervous cautious level 5 is a much different to a gung ho level 5 wanna blast around the mountain teenager...
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Levels 1-3 could be collapsed both because you don't cater to those people and also because I would think most people would progress through them much too quickly for them to really be 'different levels'.
In general though my feeling is you have a scale that is increasing in width with every successive level (e.g. the gap one level and the next gets bigger) and also more vague. I dunno if that is really a criticism or just an observation.
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FAQ
) mate i was skiing with this week in heavy snow says he can always pick me out.... didnt say i was "fluid" though and i am definitely not an athlete or L4 skier, so perhaps we have it right on that one !!
