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Jungfrau Ski region pt. 2

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I saw a report that the railway line from Lauterbrunnen to Wengen has been closed today due to land slippage? If that's the case then I guess any people arriving with luggage today will need to go to Grindelwald then take the train up to Kleine Scheidegg and from there train down to Wengen. At least there is an alternative route for them though.
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The line from Lauterbrunnen was closed until about 1.30pm. Still closed to Scheidegg owing to avalanche danger. No trains from Grindelwald to Scheidegg either.

Still raining, avalanche danger officially 4/5 but to be honest you'd be nuts to try going up the hill today.
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The line from Lauterbrunnen was closed until about 1.30pm. Still closed to Scheidegg owing to avalanche danger. No trains from Grindelwald to Scheidegg either.

Still raining, avalanche danger officially 4/5 but to be honest you'd be nuts to try going up the hill today.


Some resorts like Ischgl totally closed today - and some cut off...

Hoping all ok in 3 weeks time - a week of sunshine please Smile
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Spectacular avalanches coming off Schwarze monch this pm. Suspect the thaw had crept up to a higher level.
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Any updates ? We are coming out to Wengen on Saturday? Any idea of next weeks weather and conditions ?
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Here's the cause of all the transport woes yesterday - land slip across the tracks just below the village.



That’s all been cleared up now, and just about everything is open again bar a few avalanche-prone slopes. Masses of new snow high up.



Above about 2000 metres the pistes are superb - loads of fresh snow, nicely chopped-up, perfect for your all-mountain planks. Lower down the effect of the rain is more noticeable and you might wish you’d brought the GS skis instead. Still avalanche 4/5. Weather is mild and should stay that way for the next couple of days, and it looks like there'll be some snow Friday or Saturday.
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Mild and blue skies today. Superb, and not too many people around so you can cover a lot of ground.



Pistes fine all the way back to the village, avalanche danger down to 3/5.
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Right - never having been to Wengen I am guessing given a couple of clues that that is Eigernordwand?
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@buchanan101, correct! Known colloquially as 'easyJet'.
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Easy ... only 3 x 6 seaters and the other two don't face south-ish....
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looking at map I assume best to avoid going down to mid Mannlichen gondola (as probably difficult to get on and v slow) and better to use Mannlichen and Lager chairs when on that part of the mountain?

2.5 weeks now...
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Yes, that’s what most people do. However, the piste down to the middle station is a bit of a gem, (super-easy red with an entertaining compression at the beginning) so it’s worth doing, particularly if the weather's a bit iffy and you want some trees to help the viz. You do need to avoid peak periods, but the usual trick is to look at the gondolas coming up the hill before you make your decision. If you can see an empty one every so often you probably won’t have to wait too long.
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superb capture of a controlled avalanche at Birg -

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Over 4m high now above Murren after the heavy snowfall so a controlled explosion was required -

https://www.facebook.com/1749864885320997/videos/1772993343008151
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Lovely sunny day today, popped over to Mürren. Spring-like weather means spring-like conditions. Pistes were great early on, but anything with a southerly aspect, e.g. Maulerhübel soon got very soft. Later in the day some of the busier spots got pretty slick. Temp at Winteregg +7C.



Sorry for the poor pic, the camera in my phone is broken so having to use an old iPhone.

Oh yeah, one more thing. No fish & chips on the lunch menu at the Bellevue! Chris can you have a word please?
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@telford_mike, no fish and chips!!, will speak to Othmar (the owner....lol)

Snow and low temps from Wed night onwards, fingers X for a good amount of snow. Going warm Saturday and then dropping on Sunday with more possible snow??
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Is the cheapest way from the airport still the transfer ticket? I`m heading back over again next month. Very Happy
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Is the cheapest way from the airport still the transfer ticket? I`m heading back over again next month. Very Happy


Yes
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Another mild, sunny day. Männlichen was properly busy this morning. Home made pies at the Airtime cafe in Lauterbrunnen for lunch - cheap and delicious.

Big apres ski party in Rocks later. A couple of English lads have brought some Melton Mowbray pork pies with them which should help the beer go down.

Temp in Wengen at lunchtime +8C. My photo of Val was somewhat spoiled by the shadow of a passing gondola Toofy Grin

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Colder today with heavy snow. Windy up high with intermittent lift closures.



Looks like the mild weather is gone for a while. Temp in Wengen this afternoon -1C.
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@telford_mike, and anyone else:

We (family of 4) are considering a summer hiking trip in the valley, but being Switzerland, accommodations in Lauterbrunnen and Wengen are pretty pricey. Is Interlaken the best less-expensive (we know it won't be cheap...) option? Gasthaus, AirBnb, something else I'm missing? Ideally we'd be within walking or bus distance of trailheads around Lauterbrunnen, thinking about avoiding car rental.

Thanks for any advice on the region in summer, sorry for the programming interruption.
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@Pasigal, You are right, Lauterbrunnen is more popular in summer than it is in winter (many of the hotels are closed in winter). Wengen is expensive at any time of year.

Interlaken has lots of cheaper options, particularly away from the centre of town, also look at Wilderswil. Most of the smaller places use Airbnb nowadays, and Tripadvisor should give you some good info.

To be honest if I was here on holiday in summer I'd rather stay in Interlaken anyway - there's much more variety and far better poor weather options.

The new Youth Hostel next to the station at Interlaken Ost is very nice:

https://www.youthhostel.ch/de/hostels/interlaken


Good luck!


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@telford_mike, Cheers, thanks for the tips. Think we'll aim for Interlaken then.
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A much better day today but it’s really cold, -8C in the village this morning and -11 up at Scheidegg. Yesterday’s snow has led to a marked improvement on and off piste. Looks like the weather will stay cold for a while.

The village is looking lovely.



Star Wars - The Last Jedi is on at the cinema tonight.
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Lovely photo, telford-mike. The powder was very welcome and extremely enjoyable.
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@Rogerdodger, thank you sir Very Happy
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Only a week to go now ... forecast seems to be cold all next week with occasional showers. Snow-forecast has more snow/less sun than Bergfex.. Hopefully the weather holds like that for the Half Term week.

Just one question Mike - surprised How few runs there are on the Wengen aspect of the mountain - height and aspect? Too many trees would have to go?
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It's mostly because the terrain between the Lauberhorn and the village isn’t suitable (cliffs) and is very avalanche-prone. In addition, once you descend further than Wengernalp, there are no lifts to get you back up into the main Scheidegg / Eigergletscher area (though you can obviously do it by train).

There did used to be more runs and lifts on 'our' side of the mountain but by and large they were short and the lifts were old so they fell into disuse.

The opening of the new Männlichen cable car in 1999 made that area accessible in a mere 5 minutes from Wengen, and it really changed the whole dynamic of skiing here, as prior to that most skiers went up to Scheidegg on the train at the beginning of the day. Of course the new trains are much faster than the ones they replaced, so Scheidegg has regained some of its popularity as a starting point.
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I meant below/west of the railway in Innerwengen area.

Yes train v cable car...? We will be on the train anyway. 42mins all the way. Were the old engines like the ones on Snowdon (Swiss made)?
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They've been electric here since 1909, but even 28 years ago when I first came here they were slow and uncomfortable.

There used to be an additional piste down towards Innerwengen (it was called Telegraph Field). It wasn’t sufficiently popular and I think it was abandoned about 20 years back. As it is you still have about 4 or 5 variations to try from Wengernalp down to Innerwengen by combining different sections of the blue/red/black runs.
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Just back from the kino (Star Wars v. good!) via the pub. Noise from up the hill - snow cannons! They’re all runnng, presumably as we have lots of water from the rain last week. Never known this before in February. Still very cold needless to say.
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The reservoirs would be above the snow line surely so won’t have had rainfall? Presumably though lower slopes a bit thin. But good to hear (!)
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The reservoirs can have water pumped up to them from lower down.

Telegraph field was I think removed as a run because a lot of it was basically just along a very similar parallel route to the other red run with a slightly different end to come down to Innerwengen, in the old days when pistes were only the width of a piste basher or two it made sense to have more pistes now they do the whole slope,

Mannlichen used to have more pistes, including a black that went down the old race track and came out near the Larger chair, now it's almost pisted from one side to the other.

It is possible to ski the front face of the Mannlichen down to Wengen but you do so at your own risk and if you try it with a high avalanche risk you may get arrested for putting the village in danger, I know a number of old instructors who have skied down I also know that two canadians or americans were arrested for doing so in the 80's after they caused an avalanche that made it onto the nursery slopes, it's also possible to ski from Wengen to Lauterbrunnen with enough snow but no one usually bothers.

There used to be a second route into Wengen where one would cross over the railway near Allmend station and arrive in Wengen near the Old Mannlichen bottom station, this went a long time ago (late 1950's or early 60's I think) as it was at far greater risk from the Avalanches that drop down the front of the Mannlichen.

The Bumps area (the opposite side of the bumps t-bar lift to the race track) used to be considerably bumpier and was mainly un pisted leaving a lovely natural gentle mogul field that was great for learning technique, modern practice has resulted in these moguls being virtually non existent these days which is sad and may be one reason that the Bumps Lift gets little use these days. On the other hand anyone old enough to remember the scary mogul fields that would form over on the upper slopes above Murren is probably grateful for winch equipped piste bashers that have certainly made those slopes safer wink

A few other short runs through the woods have been deleted due to those areas now being protected nature areas, one or two runs have been altered due to changes to lifts and one or two added e.g Gummi Nord which can only be skied safely after a lot of snow, if you have walked the area in summer you know that particular route is covered in boulders, unlike most of the other pistes which are mainly green fields.

The old trains that I remember had first and second class sections with second class being hard wooden seats and the ticket collector had to open a door and go outside between carriages with only a tiny outside step big enough for one foot outside each door, especially impressive given that one of those collectors had a club foot and wore a built up boot! Prior to those were the old green engines that were still used on busy days when I first went there in the early 70's, Ironically it was the construction of the Jungfraubahn to Jungfraujoch that led to the Early electrification of the WAB, they could not safely use steam through the 9km of continuous tunnel so built a hydroelectric station in Lauterbrunnen, they subsequently found that this could generate more than sufficient power for the WAB as well as the JB and so the Wengen side was electrified, I believe that it took a while longer to electrify the Grindelwald Side
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A nice bit of history, thanks David Very Happy

Today was a mix of sunshine and clouds, with rather more of the former. Snow cannons continued to run all day down to Mary's. Scheidegg and Männlichen pretty mobbed but snow really good.

Allmend. How many skis?



A pause on the main drag back to Wengen before we stopped at the Figeler bar for beer.



6 nations rugby on at Rocks and Tanne bar.
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@telford_mike, many a time I have turned left just before the chalet with the red shutters, cold and raining here today on the sunny South Coast Sad

40 years ago there was a nice little drag lift that went from just below the road below that slope across the road and up the hill to a spot near where you took that picture, this is back in the day when ski school did technique in the morning in the village and went op the mountain in the afternoon, classes 5 & 6 used the steeper brunner slopes, those of us who could summon the courage would use a lottle hill at the bottom to jump the road, those with more courage than me would jump the road when one of the little flat electric trolleys was on the road


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@telford_mike, many a time I have turned left just before the chalet with the red shutters, cold and raining here today on the sunny South Coast Sad


And it would be well worth turning left this afternoon, nice powder down to the Alpenrose snowHead
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Interesting posts, thanks, The Bumps... saw the drag on footage of the downhill. No one on it

Drag lifts?!

A way off weather forecast wise but looking sunny next weekend...

On a busy weekend Murren or Wengen better bet (from Lauterbrunnen). Is there enough chair capacity in Murren?
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Drag lifts yes we have a good few.They act as a natural filter, there are two on the far side of Grindelwald very rare to hear English spoken around them!
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On a busy weekend Murren or Wengen better bet (from Lauterbrunnen). Is there enough chair capacity in Murren?


The only question is how/where to get up the hill in the first place. Once you're up in the ski area (anywhere) there’s no issue with capacity.

3 suggestions:

1. Get up early, go to Scheidegg or Männlichen before the crowds arrive.

2. Get up whenever you like, get the BLM up to Winteregg (never busy) and ski across to Mürren.

3. Get up really late, go wherever you like - everyone else is already up the mountain.

The Ski Miquel people can help you with this conundrum too.

As you're staying in Lauterbrunnen, you have an advantage over everyone else in that you can get to the station before the train from Interlaken arrives, and easily get a seat on the train to Scheidegg. Just get there 15 minutes before it's due to depart and you'll have no problems at all.
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