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Am I right in thinking the only system that I get get away with taking a spare cartridge(s) when flying is the Alpride system (Scott, Millet etc).
Skiing away from the alps and main resorts I want to be able to have the ability to fire a bag more than once and it seems none of the other systems allow you to carry spare cylinders. Obviously there's Jetforce but the extra kilo and extra £300 is putting me off that.
I know Alpride falls in between the airbag and life vest regs at the moment but it seems people are flying ok with it.
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Yep, the airline rules say only one cylinder per person for the ABS and Mammut type cylinders (the 200ml ones). I have no idea why, or if it is enforced (I suspect it is).
I'm not so familiar with Alpride, is this the one that takes 2 life-jacket cylinders? If so I think you'll still have the same problem - you are allowed 2 cylinders in your luggage but you need both per firing (I think)???
I personally don't worry about only having one cylinder. It's a "last resort", if I ever have to use it I'll worry about getting another cylinder then.
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If you remove the cylinders from the Alpride you are allowed four in total but you still need Airline's permission. The IATA 2.3.A list of allowed dangerous goods is very clear on this you just have to make sure the cylinders are less than 50ml each and have the type of gas specified on the label i.e. CO2
They do not have to accompany the device they are to be used in.
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Considering my and others experience with flying with one cartridge, I can only imagine the fun times trying to do it with four (((:
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Hi
I managed to lose the canisters from both mine and my sons airbags at Calgary airport last weekend, an expensive incident as I have been travelling without a hitch for at least 3 years until united airlines weren't having any of it and I had to leave both canisters behind!
Looking to replace now and I'm looking at a cost of £170 each!!
Anybody got any ideas of where to source replacements?
I had thought all the issues had now been resolved regarding the airbag cylinders transportation issues but us regs and united airlines will not transport these under any circumstances!!
Cheers
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Just a quick question to any Lufthansa travellers with ABS - we're travelling MAN/MUC in 2 weeks and plan on just wearing our ABS packs as hand-luggage and putting the canister (with lid) into the hold with skis as we normally do. I don't bother normally even calling Lufthansa these days and have never had a problem at all but my friend says that Swiss at Zurich insist now that you put the whole thing (with canister connected as part of your hold bag), and that last year EJ even ripped open his friends hold bag at Zurich and confiscated his whole ABS!
Anyone aware of any policy changes re Lufthansa MUC I'm just planning on doing the above unless needed to start calling them etc?
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@Markymark29, keep the whole lot together. That's LH policy and it's also what airports expect to see (not sure about MAN, but at MUC they are well used to seeing them as you know).
If you are feeling very brave *technically* you can take it all through as hand luggage - I did at MUC once after a discussion with a very well informed check-in assistant who told me never to separate the canister from the rest of the bag. I admit it caused some alarm with the guy at the X-ray machine when he saw the canister but his boss came over and waved me through. Not sure that would work in a UK airport though. Obviously it's all disconnected with safety caps on and handles stowed etc etc.
I would check the whole lot in. It's a pain, it's more checked weight and you then need another bag for carry on, but it makes for an easier life.
I'd also probably tell LH, you are supposed to tell them about skis too and their staff seem pretty well informed about these things, unlike BA...  Come to think of it when I checked in at MUC I told the assistant about the ABS and she said "I know, it's on the booking".
EDIT: Just re-read you post re. EasyJet - they insist the whole system is connected? Wow. That is bonkers, but I have heard it before (and I've probably wittered on about higher up in this thread). I would not do that, no matter what. I'd put the whole system together with the canister in the right place but I'd leave the cap on the cylinder. No way is it safer to have it connected. I suspect this rule comes from a misunderstanding of the pressure relief valve - I bet someone thought that connecting that would make the cylinder safer, but it won't and that's not what it is for.
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Tue 5-01-16 10:56; edited 2 times in total
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@PublicEnemy, sorry to hear that Were they full canisters? You can't transport those in N America, it's never been allowed AFAIK.
Best place to start with buying new ones in the UK would be http://shop.snowshepherd.co.uk/, I've bought a few things from him and he's very helpful and will offer good advice if needed... and he's probably reading this:-). If he doesn't stock what you need then http://www.snowsafe.co.uk/ looks good too, I've never used them but they seem to have a good range of stock.
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@sah, Thanks, maybe just shove it between the 2 halves of our zip-round Dakine roller bags then as part of our 23kg and take less clothes! Shame it doesn't go in ski bag, or will it?! Canister disconnected then, i'll speak to LH and let them know.
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@Markymark29, I tend to max out my carry-on allowance these days. Since BA got a bit greedy and charge for an extra bag when you want to take a pair of skis (I know LH don't do that) I bought a big ski bag so I can check in my skis, boots and ABS in to the hold in one bag and then take ~10-20Kgs of carry on for "free".
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@sah, Just spoke to LH they said it was best to pack ABS in with skis and tell them at check-in (cant apparently pre-check-in, has to be done at check-in desk), and then they will check at ski drop that it is disconnected etc but had to go in hold as you said.
We generally pack everything incl boots in main hold bag and just have laptop and electrical bits in hand-luggage, it leaves you with not much room for clothes once boots are in but all ski/ av hardware (and now ABS) goes in with skis so on LH its not too bad because hold bags are FOC. Might try getting boots in new Douchbag ski bags this time, but its only a long weekend so don't think gear is an issue (we're out 20-25 Jan if you're about btw).
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Yep just catching up after Christmas Gloves rush here 
There has been quite a bit of talk of some airports, only in Germany I think, of insisting that cylinders are connected, it sounds mad to me, makes no sense to do that.
Flying out of the USA and also Canada is different, they have their own regulations which says NO, the however is that lots of people have been fine doing it, I am guessing only that security is now tighter than a couple of years ago.
On the JetForce bags then as far as I have heard they are being accepted, I don't stock them and probably will not until they change the design, personal decision here, means I have lost sales but being a small specialist setup I can make my own rules on stuff 
If people have lost cylinders I will always try and do a super good deal on new ones, checkout my Snowshepherd Facebook page as well, always info on airbags there as well
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I just called the BA Security Centre to register my airbags for my flights. Absolutely no issues with my ABS flying to Geneva. I then inquired about carrying my Pieps Jetforce on my flight to Japan, and he was unaware that fan/battery airbags existed, but provided the battery was below 100Wh, which the 43.3Wh Jetforce is, and it was deactivated, it was not an issue as hold luggage.
Such a pleasure to deal with someone competent, and who could update my booking directly. Total time 6 minutes and 1 call, compared to last seasons "Customer Services" experience with script followers, which took 1.5 hours (most of which was on hold), and 4 calls.
This is the latest version 57 of the IATA regs, updated on the 1st Jan 2016:
https://www.iata.org/whatwedo/cargo/dgr/Documents/passenger-provisions-table-23A-en.pdf
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You know it makes sense.
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I just called the BA Security Centre to register my airbags for my flights. Absolutely no issues with my ABS flying to Geneva. I then inquired about carrying my Pieps Jetforce on my flight to Japan, and he was unaware that fan/battery airbags existed, but provided the battery was below 100Wh, which the 43.3Wh Jetforce is, and it was deactivated, it was not an issue as hold luggage.
Such a pleasure to deal with someone competent, and who could update my booking directly. Total time 6 minutes and 1 call, compared to last seasons "Customer Services" experience with script followers, which took 1.5 hours (most of which was on hold), and 4 calls.
This is the latest version 57 of the IATA regs, updated on the 1st Jan 2016:
https://www.iata.org/whatwedo/cargo/dgr/Documents/passenger-provisions-table-23A-en.pdf |
Can you share the phone number, I need to register mine with BA too 
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@sah, Sure, but it is on the first page of this thread under British Airways
BRITISH AIRWAYS FLIGHT SAFETY CENTRE - 02087388357
It isn't a full service desk (seems to be one man), I got voicemail with a call back option the first time, then 30 mins later a second ring answer. Have your BA flight 6 digit number and exact model of airbag ready.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@PowderAdict, perfect thank you! Very timely for BA Japan trip.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| PowderAdict wrote: |
I just called the BA Security Centre to register my airbags for my flights. Absolutely no issues with my ABS flying to Geneva. I then inquired about carrying my Pieps Jetforce on my flight to Japan, and he was unaware that fan/battery airbags existed, but provided the battery was below 100Wh, which the 43.3Wh Jetforce is, and it was deactivated, it was not an issue as hold luggage.
Such a pleasure to deal with someone competent, and who could update my booking directly. Total time 6 minutes and 1 call, compared to last seasons "Customer Services" experience with script followers, which took 1.5 hours (most of which was on hold), and 4 calls.
This is the latest version 57 of the IATA regs, updated on the 1st Jan 2016:
https://www.iata.org/whatwedo/cargo/dgr/Documents/passenger-provisions-table-23A-en.pdf |
Completely agree
I was so glad after many hours of calling last year I got given this guys number by BA (rob takes all the credit on the first page, but it was all my hard work )
Just booked mine in, same guy as last year and took all of 30 seconds, cracking service 
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Update on Japan situation...
Firstly flights to Tokyo with BA - rang in advance, very efficient, happy to book the bags in, no problems.
Internal flights from Tokyo to Sapporo with Peach Aviation - hard work!! Very hard to get hold of (no email contact available), had to call Japan, not a clue waht I was talking about, had to send faxes (who has one of those these days?!). But eventually found their dangerous good policy (bottom of this page in a pdf link http://www.flypeach.com/airports/baggage/carry-on_bag.aspx ). I've had to send all the manufacturers data sheets in advance and still haven't had final confirmation they are ok to fly with, but as they comply with the dangerous goods policy for the airline, I can't see any problems. Interesting that BA want them in checked-in baggage and Peach want them in carry-on!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Interesting that BA want them in checked-in baggage and Peach want them in carry-on!
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BA will accept them as carry on too... but you will have a hard time getting through security so best not to. Had this exact conversation with the BA security guy. Hope you get the Japan leg sorted.
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@Dashed, As mention above. It does not matter what the airline says about carry on, it is the security control you need to carry it through. The security control as no link what so ever with the airline. Be prepared with every piece of documentation you have, when you get pulled over for a bag check, and allow extra time for the process.
It sometimes takes me 10-15mins at BA check in, with my ABS, even when they have been notified in advance. It all depends on whether the person has seen one before.
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British Airways Safety Team number worked a charm (5 minute job) for my ABS with Carbon cylinder - now to see if i can sort out JAL for the domestic flight from Tokyo to Sapporo.... Will update once I've spoken to them!
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Funny but Easyjet never have a problem with them in my experience.
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I thought I'd written this but we had a complete failure with Air Greenland. Despite pre-approval and having been on three flights with them, on our last leg with them (Nuuk to Iceland), they made us pull them and then didn't give us time to repack - a complete nightmare with shockingly bad customer service.
Lucky for us this was on the way back from our expedition rather than the way there but it doesn't give me any faith for future trips there.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Anyone have any experience with Brussels Air? Their website is awful and I can't find an email address. Ringing them seems the only option but I have had issues when nothing is in writing before with other airlines.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@GlasgowCyclops, I couldnt agree more. The day I found his number, the whole world became a happier place. The problem is who do we send thanks too??? THere wont be an email
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You know it makes sense.
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@GlasgowCyclops, Much as we all appreciate Martin's highly efficient working practices, if BA Management find out that we have been bypassing their money making "Customer Service" numbers and processes, they will stop it.
After my call, I received a Customer Survey questionnaire mail. I completed it, in glowing terms, but made sure I wasn't specific, in terms of the details.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@PowderAdict, This is very true. When I was given the number I was ask not to share it, but you cant do enough for  's
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Another point with BA is that they want you to call their 03 or 08 numbers, so they can make money. However, they also usually have a "calling from abroad" number, but this picks up on your number and tells you to call the chargeable number.
This is an irritation if you have decent free call package at home or on your mobile. The solution is from a landline add 141 before number, when calling from a mobile, withhold your caller I.D / number and it should work fine.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@PowderAdict, Yep ive picked up on that before, more and more companies do it now.
Google 0800 buster, works a treat
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Hmm my experience of calling BA was leaving an answerphone message that never got returned - perhaps the one man that knows anything was on leave. I take it from the recent posts that procedure is still the same?
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@Dave of the Marmottes, Email them, it's just as efficient
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Emailed EasyJet, reply four hours later confirming they would accept the pack. I have never had any issues with them, even when I have forgotten to get advance permission.
Anyone tried taking it through Edinburgh security? I like the idea if taking it all as hand luggage but have always felt it is rather asking for trouble!
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Just got back from Manchester/ Munich late yesterday, packed our ABS's in hold bags with canister/ trigger in original packaging with IATA docs attached and informed Lufthansa before going, told them at the check-in desk no hassle, couldn't have been easier.
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@zikomo - not at Edinburgh but once got permission to take it through Newcastle security - emailed them directly, spoke to head of security who emailed me back to confirm but in the end it seemed like more hassle than it was worth (thinking more of the return leg as couldn't get the same confirmation from Geneva) so just packed it into checked bag.
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Another thumbs up for Martin - swift and helpful email response.
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Another thumbs up for Martin - swift and helpful email response.
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+1. Sent him an email this morning and have already had a reply saying that I can carry my Avalanche Rescue Backpack in either my cabin or checked baggage, and that it should be protected from accidental activation. He confirms that a note to this effect has been added to my booking.
Top work,
Nick
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@livetoski, can I ask which service you use to ship ABS packs including activation units within Europe? I'm having no luck finding a company which will ship one from UK to Ireland, and I'm trying to avoid having to fly over myself just to bring it back.
Thanks
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