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Steve Angus, I agree fully on your comment that BASI made a poor decision on the fee raise. Seems to me they are penalising that vast majority that are close to the bar and using price to dissuade the few people that are having a go. Why not instead insist on pre approval say through a logbook or signoff by a Trainer, The fee raise is just wrong and i am amazed after all the discussion on the Eurotest that they lead with price and havent addressed the other key issues..

ps : can you think of anyone that got their ISTD over 40?
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ps : can you think of anyone that got their ISTD over 40?



...in a word 'NO' - non at all - a few have been close. A few have got other ISTD modules but never them all - especially the ET and Tech.
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ps : can you think of anyone that got their ISTD over 40?



...in a word 'NO' - non at all - a few have been close. A few have got other ISTD modules but never them all - especially the ET and Tech.
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skimottaret, isn't there someone called John Nelson who's just done it? Did ET about 3 years ago at something like 46 and Tech this year. I may have got the name/exact details wrong, but isn't he LDA or somewhere near?

Looks to me like they've tried to address the problem of Brits just keeping on having a go at the test without really being ready for it. Unfortunately they've gone at it in the uber-capitalist way that seem to be the only way to do anything in Britain nowadays - try and price people out of the "market", which only has an effect on the poorer end of it. Some signoff, or better still a limit of say 1 test/year and allowed a retake if you're within say X 10ths of the pass (and maybe a 2nd if you're still only a shade off) would actually address the problem more directly.
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GrahamN, that seems sensible a sensible suggestion on forcing approval after being outside a boundary. How about anyone can rock up for 1 or 2 goes and then if your within x.x seconds crack on with additional tests, if not get signed off.. What if you crash out though Toofy Grin

yeah i think easiski may have mentioned him before, i was just curious to get some sort of idea on actual people who got through. seems to me like any top level athletic endeavour once your past your early 30's it gets hard, 40's very hard and 50's just about impossible to compete with the 20 somethings...
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Steve Angus, I had asked BASI a few times for a breakdown of ISTD passes by age but no info was forthcoming... Doesn't fill me with hope... but JJC would say i am just being negative Smile
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skimottaret, I know a couple of guys who passed Eurotests and the L4 tech in their late 30s and 40s with no issues at all so it's not impossible! If you are fit and at the level then it is attainable.

Edited to add that I know someone who passed the L4 tech in their 50s last season. He was dedicated, trained really hard and is incredibly fit.

I personally don't think age is necessarily a barrier. A lot of people (including the younger instructors) are carrying injuries and I appreciate that recovery can take longer as we age, plus the rate at which we learn new skills can slow down the older we are but I don't think this is the major factor in not being able to pass. I think a bigger factor in preventing older skiers attaining the level are possibly other comittments on time, finances and family life which tend to increase with age and mean that they cannot put the necessary time into training for the higher levels of qualification.


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skimottaret, this all begs the $64,000 question: how's your fitness programme coming along?!
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What do people think about having a few eurotest related video's on Basi's youtube channel?
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It would be really good to do that jjc james.
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jjc james, Some actual test footage of participants would be cool.
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jjc james, Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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jjc james wrote:
What do people think about having a few eurotest related video's on Basi's youtube channel?


yes please!
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kitenski wrote:
jjc james wrote:
What do people think about having a few eurotest related video's on Basi's youtube channel?


yes please!


Ditto
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Good idea - and test technique/slalom standards for L2 and L3s
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pfairbrother, ok that one may be a tad harder. But Craig may be going to a test tech this season so I'll see if he can get some video.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Maybe R555MAC still has some training footage from just before he passed the TT.

I'm still not sure what people expect to see in videos of successful Eurotest participants other than images of somebody who has learned current race technique.
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rjs, If the data is available I'd be interested in looking at a range of candidates along with their + \ - times.
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I'll be taking my camera to ADH in Dec.
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It was reported that a Green Paper on the EU wide professional card has been distributed to the board of BASI

if anyone is going to the AGM can they ask what the contents of this document is and what BASI 's position is on the matter.
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skimottaret, That could be very significant to the wider membership. I'm aware of one EU country\region that is no longer recognizing ISIA or previously accepted qualifications.
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Apparently both France and Austria didn't attend the recent ISIA meeting in Budapest!
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...in all fairness although a member of the ISIA France has never been number one fan and often 'accepts' what ISIA says through gritted teeth... Austria on the other hand are normally pretty keen on being part of the ISIA movement. In France 'officially' the ISIA exists but in reality most instructors 'on the ground' have no knowledge / contact with the organisation as ENSA try and keep the whole 'other countries have a say on our qualifications and levels' secret.

skimottaret - any idea at all what is in this paper? We could ask PSG when he gets back?
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Steve Angus, No idea at all so i have written a letter to our chairman. Apparently a green paper has been published by the EU on mutual recognition so the process seems fairly well advanced. this was discussed earlier at the beginning of this thread.

also heard a rumour that when the ET came in anyone over 40 who was doing ISTD modules got an exemption from the ET... Anyone know anyone that got this? if true it sets an interesting precident
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skimottaret I think what you may be talking about was the BASI 'grandfathering' system. What this meant was that anyone who already held the old BASI 1 qualification (whether or not they had done the ENSA crossover / Capa exams) were admitted to the Eurogroup qualification which as we now call it the ISTD (BEES 1 in ENSA etc). By default the vast majority of those people were people who had been in the system for a long time (as trainers in a lot of cases). So I think people now refer to 'the older guys' getting an exemption from the ISTD exams such as the ET / second discipline (as it used to be a top level qualification requirement not ISIA level!) when they were 'upgraded' automatically to the ISTD level... over time the rumour has now probably turned to 'anyone over 40' got exemption.

It is interesting to note that many of the older trainers never did the ET or the Capa equivalent bar a few. I suspect Rob@rar (as well as many of us) may know someone in particular who did do French Capa and could answer this query categorically.
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My apologies rather than wade through the thread, has anyone any idea on ski length for ET after 2013? is it going to revert to 195 or stay with the rule that an fis ski can be used within 5 years of manufacture which I think I have seen written somewhere? I have asked BASI with no reply and am buying skis 191 so really do not want white elephants in two years time. An authority can provide a one word answer for brevity if appropriate. Thanks
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Cynic, whenever I've asked this question I've been told that any ski that has been FIS legal in the past few years is allowed for the ET. However that's today's rule, you can't say for certain what a rule will be in 2 years' time.
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beanie1, that's very vague Confused
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French version http://www.tinyurls.co.uk/a8c


Google translate version http://www.tinyurls.co.uk/a8b


"Wearing a helmet is compulsory for all candidates (French or foreign) on pain of being denied the very beginning. Les candidat(e)s devront avoir un ski à chaque pied. The candidate (s) must have a ski on each foot. Il est recommandé aux candidats d'avoir du matériel de ski alpin It is recommended that applicants have Alpine skis adapté à la nature de l'épreuve. adapted to the nature of the event."


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jjc, hmm no mention of boots, i just wasted a couple of quid! damn....... Toofy Grin


Cut and paste from basi site:


Length of Ski: 185cm +/- 5cm (male), 180 +/- 5cm (female)
Minimum turning radius (male and female): 21m
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slikedges, if they rigidly stuck to the ski length rules then people would be having to buy new skis every time the rules changed. That is why they say if they've met the requirements previously, they're allowed.

jjc, please can you tidy up that link, as it's making it very difficult to read this thread, thanks.
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What would yo like me to do with it? It comes up normally on my comp?
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jjc, not sure, maybe an admin can help.
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jjc, not sure, maybe an admin can help.


Fine for me. Though did experience the irritating hovvering advert bar yesterday which meant couldn't see half the boc
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the link is very long on my screen (and half of it not a link). As a result all the posts below are now pretty much on one line and i have to scroll across the screen to see them! so annoying...
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beanie1 wrote:
the link is very long on my screen (and half of it not a link). As a result all the posts below are now pretty much on one line and i have to scroll across the screen to see them! so annoying...


What size screen do you have Beanie?

I'm on a tiny 17inch lappy screen and all fine for me....
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The links don't make any difference to the page layout for me but neither of them are clickable.

You don't need to display the link itself, just put it inside the first url tag.
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roughly the same as that i think (Macbook Air). It's a big scroll - I'd say it's made the screen 3 times as wide as usual. Only on this thread though, so don't think it's my settings?
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Beanie1's problem may well be the browser - not wordwrapping the long URL. I also have no problem. Ah - it's a Mac failure (no problem on Windows IE8) Laughing

jjc, with URLs like that, which really give no useful information to the reader, it's normally best to hide it and replace it with some more useful text as follows:
{url=http://translate.....the_rest_of_your_long_url...}The text you want to appear{/url}, but replacing the curly brackets by square ones [ ] . Unfortunately, in this case the embedded parentheses (...) seem to mess up that process. It does still seem to work by deleting everything after the first parenthesis though, and your link turns out something like this: The text you want to appear
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