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I currently have some 170 Head Monster 72s.
I seem to be fine with these on piste but have great difficulty in crud. I know this is probably due to technique as when I have followed instructors off piste in crud, they're fine on thinner skis.
However, I'm wondering if fatter skis would be better?
If mid fats do everything well, I don't really see why 2 pairs of skis would be necessary or even practical for that matter when living in the UK and having to travel to the Alps by air.
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| GordonFreeman wrote: |
| If mid fats do everything well.......... |
I don't think they do. Any ski can do everything, but narrower skis are better on groomed runs and fatter skis are better on ungroomed. Everything else is a compromise.
I decide what I ski worst on - ungroomed - and so pick a ski to help in that area, it that case fatter. They're good on everything except really hard or icey pistes.
So for crud, I'd go fat.
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I think heavy skis ski crud best because they don't get bounced around, they cut through. Personally the best I've tried were my Volant Chubbs - a fairly wide ski. My current Scott Missions have wider shovel and tail and ski crud well, but not quite as well as my Volants. However the Volants were a straighter ski and didn't do so well on piste.
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David, you could have a heavy but soft ski that probably wouldn't perform that well in crud. There is probably a magic mix between width, flex in the 360 degree plane, weight, length, shovel length, shovel width, waist, turn radius, exact density of snow etc.
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I'd say my B2s perform better in crud than most conditions. They plow right through it like a tank. The wide, rounded tips certainly has something to do with this.
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davidof, yes, I should have said fairly stiff as well - and yes there are actually many factors but I don't know what they all are. Probably a big shovel doesn't help in crud, which is why my Missions aren't as good as the Volants were.
ami in berlin Yes, tanks are great in crud (I thought some Head Monsters were quite tank-like?)
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72mm ?
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its all technique, I could ski through crud on 203cm pencil thin Force9s as long as I got them on edge....
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I could ski pretty much anything on 3rd hand hand me down dynastar verts with the faber-castell colouring pencil graphic. I was, however, 15 years younger and some 4st lighter...
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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salamon foils
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Any ski that will not get bounced around should be ok for crud... A solid position is best. However for crust, a biigger heavier ski to crash through it or a lighter thinner ski that wont break through is required and since you can't really legislate for this, then its technique more than anything.
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| edsilva wrote: |
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worst advice of the day. nothing is lighter/turnier/more easily deflected than foils. If you want a true crud busting charger, just go to bsquads or legend pros. Width isn't the factor, it's stiffness/shovel shape/technique.
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You know it makes sense.
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GordonFreeman, Heads are heavier than most I've found and stiff too so should be fine. Going along with what JT and DaveC have pointed out, I've got Aztec Pros that are light, have a large shovel and sidecut. They get a proper handful in crud (though not as much as my previous foam-cored Rossis). Even a Mission would be pushing it (just a wider Aztec Pro).
Edit: ...BTW I can't vouch for the technique! 
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I found my Kneissl Tankers will plow through pretty much anything.
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Poster: A snowHead
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My Head Monster 72s and 82s both deal with crud pretty effectively. The 82s are slightly better, probably because they're stiffer and have less of a pronounced shovel. I've used the 82s more often this season, mainly due to lots of powder and soft snow, but the 72s are better in bumps and generally more agile. The 82s are surprisingly agile for a heavy mid-fat, but they are still a heavy mid-fat at the end of the day.
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