 Poster: A snowHead
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laundryman, yes, I agree with that too - lessons will make it easier for you to ski more economically of effort and in consequence get less tired, or go further, or both, depending on what you want to do.
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docsquid, i think you are being a bit harsh on us Males with a 15% target  i was told that for over 40's if you are under 20% you are doing pretty good.
I am an instructor and at the end of last season i got to 18% and was only a a half stone over my fittest weight in my 20's (i'm 44) I doubt i have ever been at 15% even when i was very fit and playing professional sport
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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skimottaret, well, yes. I think under 20% is good for a bloke, and very difficult to achieve for a laydee!
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laundryman, I agree technique helps, but it can only take you so far..... My swim technique is pretty dammed good, but without the fitness it won't take me the 3.86km I need. Same goes for skiing. It's ofter the reason older skiiers can still keep up with the youg 'uns, but they'll only keep up for a set period of time before the fitness of the other skiiers tells.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Well it's got to be said Whitegold does make me chuckle! I wonder if *any* snowheards have body fat at 15%????
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kitenski, I think I do.......... in my femur.
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kitenski, We are not all lardyboys.
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| kitenski wrote: |
| Well it's got to be said Whitegold does make me chuckle! I wonder if *any* snowheards have body fat at 15%???? |
I do, at least on caliper measurement, but I am pretty thin, really. I'm happier around 20%.
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Thank you all for your welcome and comments. There's such a lot here, I'm not sure where to start, except to say, that I don't think I'll be aiming for 15% body fat!
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chocoholic, I reckon in skiing it is better to weigh a bit more - helps you go faster, or so I'm reliably told by Mr Docsquid as he munches his way through yet another apple strudel 
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I'm firmly in the "I'll get fit for my skiing holiday this year" camp & I never do!
I know I'm going to really feel it after Saturday's Ski Test.
Any of you got any ideas on how to get fit in 2 days ?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Any of you got any ideas on how to get fit in 2 days ?
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Have another drink so at least you won't feel the pain.
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I was 33% body at the start of my fitness regime 10 1/2 months ago, presently it's around the mid twenties according to the unreliable scales. One of my mates who I'm going mountain biking with this weekend is 8% body fat. I wonder who's going to be last up the hills? 
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You know it makes sense.
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Don't worry, Kramer, you'll be faster DOWN the hill!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Not if I have my rear brake on, and skid all the way down.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Kramer, so that's how you wear them out!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| kitenski wrote: |
| Well it's got to be said Whitegold does make me chuckle! I wonder if *any* snowheards have body fat at 15%???? |
well i do, 36 years old male,
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Hubby's was measured by someone at the Great North Run. 11% (I think he was joking) . He was asked if he was in the elite athlete category, and if he was planning on running his personal best. He plays squash 3-5 times per week, cycles to and from work, walks the dog twice daily etc, etc. Can't keep the b*gger still for 5 minutes!!!
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| Blade wrote: |
Whitegold, chocoholic began this thread by posting a question:
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I have looked elsewhere on this forum, and can't see the answer to this. When is the right time to begin fitness training for skiing next winter? No matter how much I seem to do, I always get tired.
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You're explanation is totally irrelevant to that particular question. It is too easy these days for anyone who is computer literate to extract scientific facts from the network. In your case, whitegold, you have extracted an obscure text paragraph to post on this thread, solely to sate your own ego and with the interests of choco far from your agenda. I know full well that you cannot substantiate or elaborate on your postings, if you could, you would have by now.
Your postings had no mention of ski specific exercises - in fact they had no mention of exercises, period. As far as getting fit for recreational skiing is concerned, your 15% body fat and six pack belly will be aptly at home in cloud cuckoo land! |
You are clutching at straws.
I answered the question directly -- train all year round.
Further, the facts stand.
The lower the bodyfat, the higher the fitness.
Two-nil
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| kitenski wrote: |
| Well it's got to be said Whitegold does make me chuckle! I wonder if *any* snowheards have body fat at 15%???? |
Mine is.
Washboard stomach
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The tiredness may of course be nothing whatsoever t do with fitness or technique. Could be lack of sleep at altitude, more booze than usual alteration of diet or just being in recovery from pre holiday stresses.
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| docsquid wrote: |
Whitegold, 15% fat is very difficult to achieve if you are female - this is realistic for a male, but a female would have to be extremely athletic to get this figure - some elite female athletes have body fat around 12%, but this is exceptional, for a female. Also, I've found that body fat scales are pretty error-prone when you are female because the equations from which they derive their measurements are derived from those for males, and then add a fudge factor that basically assumes that almost all weight gain is fat and most weight loss is muscle - this is obviously not the case if you are weight training and building up muscle at the same time as losing weight. You can track your progress, but the absolute figure is very prone to error and I take the readings with a pinch of salt. They are also very prone to error due to hydration status and therefore the reading can vary by 2% or more depending on time of day. I paid over £100 for my scales and I really don't trust them at all - the only way to get accurate readings is by use of calipers (or an MRI scan).
As it happens, my body fat % is 15% measured properly with calipers, and I'm very non-fat for a female. However I would say that for a female, a body fat below 22 to 25 % would be a more realistic goal - in general you need to add 8 to 10% to the male figure for body fat %. For general health and fitness 15% for a male would be very good, as would 25% for a female. I'm probably too thin, I train a lot and eat a phenomenal amount of food because of this. I try to be healthy, but ultimately I need calories! |
Docsquid -- Agreed. Women have different targets. Sub-22% is more applicable.
Men with more than 20% fat will almost certainly be fat, flabby, saggy, or all three.
Few, if any, electronic scales available to the general public will be fully accurate. That is a given. But they are close enough to provide a decent guide for the goal one is aiming toward. Some top models will even estimate fat around high-risk areas, like the stomach and major organs.
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| Whitegold wrote: |
| Some top models will even estimate fat around high-risk areas |
Kate Moss, Naomi Campbell, Elle McPherson, ...
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| Whitegold wrote: |
| Men with more than 20% fat will almost certainly be fat, flabby, saggy, or all three. |
He's not wrong.
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Checked my body fat % today, and it was 21%, down from 35% ten months ago. 
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Kramer, You appear to have checked twice in four days. Isn't this against your own rules?!
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Hurtle, last time I checked was about a month previous.
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Kramer,
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I was 33% body at the start of my fitness regime 10 1/2 months ago, presently it's around the mid twenties
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posted on the 21st. Perhaps I misunderstood 'presently.' I'm only taking the p*ss, bearing in mind your advice against weighing oneself too often. If I were doing as well as you are, I'd probably be weighing myself every half hour, just to bask in the sheer glory of it!
I think I must have shed some body fat during my week of walking in the Lakes, because everybody is remarking on my weight loss, despite the fact that my scales show much the same weight as before I left. I dunno. Vanity, vanity...(and that's what it is, I'm reasonably fit despite being both podgy and geriatric.)
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You know it makes sense.
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I found the CardioWave machine superb during the winter, because it works the major muscle groups that skiing does. I'm a Pilates instructor anyway, so my core strength didn't need any additional work.
The one thing that surprised me last season was all this talk of how much cardio work people were doing. Ok, maybe I'm not skiing hard enough, but I didn't struggle with the cardio aspect of skiing at all, and I hadn't particularly cranked up my gym work beforehand - maybe I was doing enough anyway? What I was really glad I'd done was get the strength in my legs beforehand - it paid handsome dividends.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Hurtle, my post on the 21st, referred to where I knew my body fat percentage to be, from the last time I measured it, about a month previously.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| clara_jo wrote: |
| so my core strength didn't need any additional work. |
HERESY!
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comprex, What do you mean? People who do Pilates work on their core strength daily in any event - they don't need suddenly to start doing it before going skiing.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Hurtle, restating the worn adage 'No such thing as too much core strength' in a more emphatic way.
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Just had a review at my gym. They seem to think I'm doing enough CV work. For the rest of the summer, they have given me more weights work, and said they will raise my CV levels back up in the autumn. Suggested that the fatigue may be due to dehydration and suggested I carry an Isotonic drink when skiing.
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sod body fat .. its all about clobber size.. for suits you want your waist and inside leg to be the same at worst.. and your chest size to be 8 to 10 over your waist size..
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| comprex wrote: |
| Hurtle, restating the worn adage 'No such thing as too much core strength' in a more emphatic way. |
Yes, there is, if it left no time to do "other" strength work.
That's why it's "worn" adage.
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| abc wrote: |
Yes, there is, if it left no time to do "other" strength work.
That's why it's "worn" adage. |
I question the need for "other" strength work for skiing. See male vs. female skiers thread.
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Is quad part of "core" then?
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abc, rectus femoralis anyway.
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