 Poster: A snowHead
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I certainly don't, anyone else? Will there ever be closure on this? Snowheads seems to be behaving like a scorned lover who can't let go and move on. They treated us like dirt so B******s to em.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well argued. Let's get over it and be glad we have this. And their snow reports are rubbish too!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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aren't they just a travel company anyway, i think a few are trying to keep the club ethos going but i feel that died a while ago and they are simply a specialist sliding (as in snow) holiday company.
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Hit the nail on the head there Dan 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I care because i think it a shame for a club that has given so much to skiers in the past is doing so badly due to some bad pompus decisions and poor advice i'd like to see the club given to the people that are in touch with real life so it can once again be a club for us the average slider
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Well said bootneck, I believe that is exactly what David Goldsmith is trying to achieve although he seems to be receiving some serious abuse and denigration for his trouble. Not from snowheads I would hasten to add.
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Cathy, you are right of course but I was referring to the general rather than the exception. There is of course always one!
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bootneck, I don't know about 'given away', but if you want piece of the club all you have to do is join.
Cathy Coins, David Goldsmith's problem is that there aren't enough people in the Club who agree with him. That is democracy I guess!
There is a democratic process, use it and if enough members agree with you, you will get your way.
Also...
...you might want to swing by the Club forum and enter the debate about off-piste leading. You might find it interesting.
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I'm not saying give it away Gerry i'm just implying that the club needs to loose its image problem and maybe the best way to do this is to involve more people from other walks of life. Oh and i am a member and regularly post
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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bootneck, not really sure what you mean by 'other walks of life'. Could you elaborate? Do you perceive the current membership as being all from the same social class, for example?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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No i'm not saying that at all every member i've chatted to has been very down to earth but that is the image that comes across to the outsider and that is what we need to work on changing and to do that we need to show people that is not the case by getting various types of people more involved in promoting the club.
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well, it's already an established fact that the reps come from every walk of life. But what else do you feel needs to be done?
I'm glad to hear someone say that they have found the Ski Club to be populated with down to earth members. Many non members refuse to accept this fact when given to them. Any idea why?
Lastly, do you think the promotional material published by the Club gives the right impression?
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You know it makes sense.
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The promotional material may indeed be one of the main problems you only have to ask a non member to watch 100 years of skiing and then ask thier opinion of the club.
The other main thing to be done is to get more young people into the club that alone would certainly ba a big help to loosing this upper class image the club has
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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bootneck, good point about the DVD! The Club does have a stuffy history and they decided to produce a film to prove it! But the Club is stuck with its history and there is no point in denying it.
The Club is actively pursuing the younger generation and we'll have to wait and see if the current strategies work.
Would you consider writing or e-mailing your views to the Club?
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Poster: A snowHead
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I will be wrting an email to the club just trying to find other general opinions first as i'd like to makesure the majority of members agree with me on various topics never go off half cocked and all that.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I agree with Philip Prior, why this fixation with SCGB?
In the beginning it was in the clubs interests to promote skiing - how else were they going to fill their holidays?
But surely today, we are not worried that skiing may die out? I don't see anyone bewailing the fact that the pistes are so quiet, the queues are so short, that we miss seeing fellow Brits in the resorts? All the threads indicate that the opposite is true. I really can't see the value in trying to promote the sport any more than is done, as heightened demand will further increase prices, and taking a family of 5 away during school holidays is not cheap at the moment!!
The growth of the internet and the commercialism of the skiing industry surely makes the need for a member's club obselete. Saying that, I really don't care if people want to be a member of SCGB or not, but cannot understand why so much typing is given over to it on this site?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I'm not sure about the notion of fixation with respect to this topic. It is ski-related, and as such, a valid subject for debate.
I was not involved in the old forum 'fiasco' - didn't even know it existed, in fact. But I still think that public discussion of issues like this can only be in the interest of those with closer ties, and those who may be thinking of joining in the future.
My concern is that the SCGB, as one of the nine 'member groups' of the competitive sports governing body, Snowsport GB, what seems to me to be a glorified holiday operator and Internet data provider is involved in the decision-making process that affects our winter sports athletes.
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Good morning, PG, it's lovely morning here in Surrey, with the sun just rising over the forest, its rays spilling over the horizon and illuminating the trees with a warm, golden hue. What's it like in the Savoie?
As for the Club's involvement with Snowsport GB, I think you'll find the Club raises money for our elite winter sports athletes. In view of that, do you think it should have some input into how that money is spent? Or do you think the Ski Club is unqualified?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Hi Gerry... here it's grey, chilly, foggy and damp. Good news, seeing as 0°C has been hovering around 4000m!
As for the Club's involvement... not really Gerry, no. I think the policy-forming process should be completely independent of financial backers. Following that logic, the likes of British Land and Trespass should have seats on the various committees. They are, after all, official sponsors, investing directly with their own funds, as opposed to "raising money".
The logic behind the membership of the other groups is clear. They are official administrative bodies of competitive British snowsports. At first sight, and from the info David Goldsmith provided in a separate thread, the continued involvement of the SCGB is a hangover from the past, nostalgia for the days when the Club actually played a direct role in organising competitive GB winter sports.
I would be interested to know how extensive the Club's financial support is.
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| PG wrote: |
| I'm not sure about the notion of fixation with respect to this topic. It is ski-related, and as such, a valid subject for debate. |
Exactly. If it makes Phillip feel any happier, it seems to be cyclic. The topic was very quiet - almost dormant - for a long time. Then the 'Lost & Found' thread was archived, the long lost Kevin made a welcome reappearance rapidly followed by bootneck, an upcoming SCGB AGM and, not entirely by coincidence, the whole thing has bubbled up again. It may die down again ... or not.
The discussions are for the most part constructive and searching and since this forum came about because of the way we were treated, I'm not surprised there is still interest, and some bitterness, remaining on the subject of the SC.
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That's a fair point, PG, and I don't know whether it can be answered from the Club's annual report and accounts.
I don't know how much the Club raises towards Snowsports GB, but maybe someone in authority could provide the figure. PG's point is one that I was thinking of making - that a sponsor should not necessarily pull any strings.
Perhaps a clue lies in the Club's mission statement, which dates back to the early 90s (I'd have to look it out), to be the "spokesbody of British skiers".
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If you go to the Snowsport GB web site then to the snowsport gb on the menu and scroll down you will find considerable info about its funding but no mention of SCGB. Also if you look at the sponsors section, again SCGB is conspicuous by its absence. So whatever it is donating, it is probably not much.
(Sorry cannot link any deeper than the home page)
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Gerry - can you stand up your argument with a figure?
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David Goldsmith, the Club isn't a sponsor, it just raise money. Shouldn't they represent the people whose money was given through them?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| David Goldsmith wrote: |
| Gerry - can you stand up your argument with a figure? |
David Goldsmith, no I cannot. Every year I buy raffle tickets through the Ski Club which I assumed went to Snowsport GB. Maybe it went directly to the athletes themselves.
If the Club isn't listed as a sponsor then it cannot be one. So the objection to the club's involvement must just be that it is unqualified?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Gerry, I am actively involved in raising funds for various associations, including a couple of ski clubs. I sourced one official current sponsor of Snowsport GB. Should I be on various committees then, on behalf of mostly armchair sports fans, telling the athletes and trainers how they should be running their sport?
Ideally there should be a divide, complete independence, otherwise 'vested interests' can too easily start manipulating the situation to their own ends.
If people are unhappy with the way their money is being used, they can stop donating and give to another cause. It's as simple as that. Or should be, in an ideal world.
I hasten to add that I have no idea of the extent of the influence of the individual groups within Snowsport GB, nor which part of the decision-making process they are involved in.
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| PG wrote: |
If people are unhappy with the way their money is being used, they can stop donating and give to another cause. It's as simple as that. Or should be, in an ideal world. |
Sound like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.
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You know it makes sense.
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PG, on the same web site in the Committees section there are Minutes of Meetings and Reports which might give you more information. They are all Adobe pdfs and are not easy to scan through. The latest accounts not surprisingly give no detail of sources of income.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Gerry wrote: |
| PG wrote: |
If people are unhappy with the way their money is being used, they can stop donating and give to another cause. It's as simple as that. Or should be, in an ideal world. |
Sound like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. |
Come again?
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Poster: A snowHead
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PG, after an organisation has miss spent your money you pull the funds for the next year, instead of feeling you are having some input into how it's used, being happy with how it is spent and continuing to contribute.
Isn't that counter-productive and a little like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted?
Snowsport GB probably does distribute the money wisely, though. Maybe the Ski Club has a hand in that aspect?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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There are controls over how a charity, for example, may spend your donation. There is also stiff competition for income, which in itself compels the organisations involved to act responsibly and effectively - failing which they would soon find themselves unable to survive.
If I give money to the Samaritans, should I be entitled to tell them how to treat the suicidal? I think not. As a large chunk of the funding comes from the Lottery, should Camelot (or whoever it is these days) be on the governing board? Of course not.
I would wager you won't find a similar holiday club involved in any aspect of running the affairs of the Alpine nation ski federations.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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PG, I'm not saying people who donate to Snowsport GB should be able to tell them how to train the athletes. But we have established that the Ski Club is not a sponsor, so that point need not be discused further.
So we are left to consider the point of whether the Club is qualified to give the input it does. Do you know what input the Club has?
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I posted above:
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| I hasten to add that I have no idea of the extent of the influence of the individual groups within Snowsport GB, nor which part of the decision-making process they are involved in. |
The raison d'être of an organisation such as Snowsport GB is the efficient management, training and promotion of the national teams - children, junior and senior - along with the organisation of national competitions. I would be very interested to know what possible expertise the SCGB can bring to the table these days. Snowsport GB have paid administrators and coaches. The SCGB represents no one with any direct involvement in competitive snowsports, as far as I can see. So what else can they usefully do that would justify the exalted status of one of the 9 'member groups'?
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PG, sorry, my bad, I missed that bit.
ok...
...so we can only guess as to the quality and relevance of the Ski Club's contribution. I don't think it's fair, then, to discuss the Club's involvement further without actually having any facts to work with, agreed?
But maybe we could acquire some facts? They may prove you to be right.
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IMHO ski club doesnt offer anything to the under 25's it all seems a bit old school "chalet in Verbier" attitude from what ive seen
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Gerry, I've made no judgements as yet, just asked for information. Expressed a little scepticism, perhaps. I look forward to learning more.
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Nadenoodlee, when i was under 25 it seemed like that to me too.
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Gerry, are you saying that information relating to the Ski Club's contribution to Snowsport GB is not published/available in the annual report. Next thing you'll be saying is that the Ski Club doesn't publish deatils of SCGB official's renumerations. Surely not?
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Gerry, well nothings changed- no wonder it has such a bad image
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