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Edge & Wax - The Essentials - What Do I Really Need?

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I've looked online and various companies offer various kits that seem to range between the £200-350 mark for edging and waxing skis. I'm spending the winter in Austria and will be skiing daily so I want to learn to look after my own skis, cut down on servicing costs and make sure my skies are treated properly with love and care. However, I did not envisage spending the price of a new pair of skis on ski maintenance gear. Is it really necessary? Also the less ski maintenance gear I take the easier it is to transport.

What do I really need to do a good job?

Thanks,
Pete


Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Sat 23-11-19 12:19; edited 1 time in total
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I got this set, and it includes everything i need, apart from doing a basegrind: https://www.ebay.de/itm/HOLMENKOL-Skiservice-TOP-Set-ALPIN-13-teilig/303336454794?hash=item46a042fa8a:g:6g0AAOSw7RtdtErw

I guess other companies like Swix have something just like it Happy
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Try the Piste Office: kits start at £90.

https://www.thepisteoffice.com/index.php/the-piste-office-store/tuning-equipment-kits.html

P.s Edge and Way? wink
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Tom Doc wrote:
Try the Piste Office: kits start at £90.

https://www.thepisteoffice.com/index.php/the-piste-office-store/tuning-equipment-kits.html

P.s Edge and Way? wink


dangly bits. I hate it when that happens. Yes i've seen that kit and £90 seems like a reasonable amount but then you really need an iron too. Any apparently you need clamps although i'm not sure how essential they are. And then it ends up at £300.
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What are you doing / where are you staying? Is there no chance of meeting up with someone who might have an iron, and to share some of your kit? It doesn't make a lot of sense for everyone out there for a season to take a full servicing kit.
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As you are instructing there, surely some of the local instructors have a local person they use. Or if they do their own, they might be willing to do yours at the same time.
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@Powder Pete, when I was teaching in Saalbach we 1. had ski servicing facilities in the ski instructor house and 2. several shops offered us free/massively discounted services
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I'll ask the ski school what they have. Discounted / free servcies would be awesome if I can find a reputable shop that takes care of your precious skis. Which shops do you recommend? Last time I took my skis to intersport they seem to have butchered the top sheet edges. I don't trust them and it cost me nearly £40 for the 'full service'.

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Powder Pete wrote:


What do I really need to do a good job?

Thanks,
Pete


You need skill, or you'll make a terrible mess. Get some training - there are people on here who can help, e.g. https://www.thepisteoffice.com/ You'll still need to use a shop if you need a base grind.
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@Powder Pete, was like 7 years ago now so I can't really remember shops, but going in your uniform should help wink

PS personally wouldn't worry about stuff like that, it just happens when you use skis... Tools not jewels!
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telford_mike wrote:
Powder Pete wrote:


What do I really need to do a good job?

Thanks,
Pete


You need skill, or you'll make a terrible mess. Get some training - there are people on here who can help, e.g. https://www.thepisteoffice.com/ You'll still need to use a shop if you need a base grind.


I checked with him about that already. He doesn't have any availability over the winter for courses. Too busy. Is it really that hard? Doesn't look it on the videos especially with a guide tool.
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It isn't hard to do a basic job. If it was, I wouldn't be able to do it. For tooling round the hills a basic is really all you need.

On the other hand, if you're a racer hunting 100th of a second it perhaps better to see a pro.
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Mosha Marc wrote:
It isn't hard to do a basic job. If it was, I wouldn't be able to do it. For tooling round the hills a basic is really all you need.

On the other hand, if you're a racer hunting 100th of a second it perhaps better to see a pro.


I'm not entering any races but I do like to carve at a decent speed. What basic things do I need to buy then without spending silly money?
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regarding the lack of an iron -- Purists may scoff at this, but I just use a cheap travel iron (carefully...) - works well
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Starting setup.

Side edge guide 87*, file, medium stone, gummi, travel iron, wax, beer.
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Mosha Marc wrote:
Starting setup.

Side edge guide 87*, file, medium stone, gummi, travel iron, wax, beer.

+1 and plenty of beer Happy
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I qualified from The University of YouTube. The guy below has some great videos, this is part 1 there are 9 hours in total!


http://youtube.com/v/RBehqDQWO0c
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Mosha Marc wrote:
Starting setup.

Side edge guide 87*, file, medium stone, gummi, travel iron, wax, beer.


Thanks. Is that a diamond stone?

Those videos look great thanks. I'll give it a watch - Not sure i'll make it through the whole 9 hours without wanting to end it all though Very Happy
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@Powder Pete, as you will be in Austria its quite likely that there will be a ski vice in the ski store room, it's worth checking

Learning how, there is a guide on the Piste Office, lot less that 9hrs! https://www.thepisteoffice.com/index.php/1-tuning-advice/tuning-guide.html

what @Mosha Marc says plus brake retainers, the cheap ones from Piste Office, a scarper and a brush, or just buy the basic starter kit from the Pistoffice Toofy Grin
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I've used one of these for more than ten years on family skis https://www.snowinn.com/ski-store/toko-edge-tuner/41736/p?utm_source=google_products&utm_medium=merchant&id_producte=210676&country=uk&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzYWt9oKB5gIVx7HtCh0_RwusEAUYASABEgKqefD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Also some as @albob, for iron, travel iron that I bought from charity shop for £1 at same time. Both very reliable and able to change edge angle if needed.

Apologies to spyderjon as I bought them before joining this site Embarassed
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albob wrote:
regarding the lack of an iron -- Purists may scoff at this, but I just use a cheap travel iron (carefully...) - works well

Well, "purists" may scoff, but if you read the text spyderjon has written with the basic tuning kit (http://pisteoffice.com/index.php/the-piste-office-store/tuning-equipment-kits/basic-tuning-kit-detail.html) he actually suggests this a way forward if you're looking to reduce up-front cost.
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No one here mentions different wax for varying temps?

A good block of wax is a damn site more than a cheap iron!

I have two blocks one circa zero --> -8 winter wax and then another for Spring which I find way more important!

I actually don't bother too much with edges and if I put a big hole in my skis it's @KenX, to the rescue Laughing
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Thanks lots of good advice here. I think i'll give the clamps a miss for now and hopefully find some out there. Does anyone do their own without clamps and get good results? I might get the spyperjon £90 or just select a few of the essentials from it and perhaps add an iron to it like the the toko for £30 / mayplus for £50. If I can keep it to around £100-ish give or take £20 that seems sensible enough. That Toko edge tool looks good as it will do a variety of angles in case my skis are different.

What are the quality brands for ski tuning - Kunzmann / Toko / Swix - are they all good? Any other brands worth getting?
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The late Doug Coombs does a quick tune:


http://youtube.com/v/Wi4N4duxwgk
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@randyw, was just about to post that. There is something to be said for the q&p. Like more time for other stuff.
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Hit the jackpot. My accommodation has a ski room with boot heaters and a workbench with vices, tools and an iron Laughing
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Powder Pete wrote:
Hit the jackpot. My accommodation has a ski room with boot heaters and a workbench with vices, tools and an iron Laughing


Nice one Cool
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