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"Personally I wouldn't say Chamonix is good for families. "

Based on last year's experience, I would disagree... now, I define Chamonix as the valley so I think it offers lots of options depending on your family. Staying in town might take more effort (unless you have a car) but you have access to restaurants, shops, the nearby snow park with sledding, train up to the Mer de Glace... lots of stuff to do.

Now digging into Aletsch which seems quieter but very cool.
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ItaloSkier wrote:
"Personally I wouldn't say Chamonix is good for families. "

Based on last year's experience, I would disagree... now, I define Chamonix as the valley so I think it offers lots of options depending on your family. Staying in town might take more effort (unless you have a car) but you have access to restaurants, shops, the nearby snow park with sledding, train up to the Mer de Glace... lots of stuff to do.

Indeed, it depends. Clearly your family needs are very different to mine. Not saying that is an issue or either view is right. Just different.
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Fair enough. Last year, we stayed in Argentiere... I would have to drop the family off at the Charamillon lift for their lessons and I would head back to Grands Montets to ski with my guide. It was a bit of a chore but doable. What was nice though is that we could make decisions based on weather. On one bluebird day, we went to Courmayeur and they played in the snow while I "played in the snow". Nice to be able to hop from Chamonix.
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@ItaloSkier, whilst the ESF doesnít (for some odd reason) publicise this, they often provide transport for their lessons. I had friends stay in in le praz, and ESF used to collect their kids each morning at 8.30, drive them up to le tour, and return at the end of the day.

They do this for grown ups as well. A beginner friend staying with us last year moved between le tour, Argentiere and Flegere, with an ESF minibus transporting her each day.

Itís by no means a direct substitute for ski in ski out, but can smooth the process a lot.
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Evolution 2 lessons are at GM and meet at the base, the more advance groups sometimes go off somewhere else but the beginner groups stay at GM. The loss of the bins won't impact on that much. Ref Chamonix not being a family resort it does depend on the family. My kids love the Luge and the leisure centre and we alternate between Montevers and AdM for an afternoon if they ever want time off or if the weather is bad. They've even been around the Alpine Museum so apart from the skiing the MBU Pass is worth it for us. We'll still be going once in 2019.
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@RobH2017, you see quite a few Evo2 around La Tour.

Anyhoo, I have a suspicion that Evo2 and ESF will be modifying their programmes to make better use of the new beginner and intermediate slopes around Plan Joran this year (as in, why would you not?)
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@RobH2017, you see quite a few Evo2 around La Tour.

Anyhoo, I have a suspicion that Evo2 and ESF will be modifying their programmes to make better use of the new beginner and intermediate slopes around Plan Joran this year (as in, why would you not?)

Yes, I think they do their adult group lessons at La Tour although as you said with the new beginner areas that might change. We always have a couple of private lessons in the week each to improve technique and they're at GM historically (over lunch).
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@RobH2017, TBH I have no real idea where they do group lessons (I suppose I should in case a client asks).

I was rather surprised a few years ago when some friends who were out and more or less rank beginners were offered GMs for their private lessons.

Cue a swift conversation and agreement from the prof after the lesson that that would have been a Very Bad Idea.
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We always do private lesssons since they are MUCH cheaper in Europe than in the U.S. I can confirm that the ESF can help, at times, with transportation as one time my instructor/guide helped me take my family to La Tour and then we headed back to GM to go ski off piste at the top. ESF Argentiere was great - probably helps going during quieter times.
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Cham and Arg suck for families in Winter.

Valley is way too spreadout.
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@Whitegold, you have never actually been here, have you?

(Rhetorical question, I already know the answer).

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Just had an email from cdmb saying that as a result of all the disruption including the storms etc affecting the ski area during the 2017-18 ski season:
1 the 2019 season/annual ski pass wont increase (Iím unclear if that means next years 2019-2020 pass won't increase, or the 2018-2019 pass Iím about to buy will be the same price as last year!)
2 we get a free day pass for a friend (effectively worth about E40 to me)
3 we get a free visit to a new wellness centre that would cost e44 but Iíd personally value at about e5!

Edited to add - looks like they will cut a touring track from bochard to the top of the Grands Montets as well. Iím quite excited about this - access to lots of powder and a long descent, in exchange for a very easy walk.
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http://www.snowreportchamonix.com/2018/09/27/chamonix-winter-lift-opening-dates-info/

Some more detail on the touring route plan.
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@snowdave bit harsh on the new spa, I went recently having never given any thought to one before but it was amazing! Very Happy I paid full price as well. Can't wait for my free day in the winter.
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@snowdave,
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Edited to add - looks like they will cut a touring track from bochard to the top of the Grands Montets as well. Iím quite excited about this - access to lots of powder and a long descent, in exchange for a very easy walk.
PLEASE NOTE: experience and the right equipment required. This will be entirely off-piste and predominantly over a glacier.

I haven't seen many people attempting that route up until now.....a very easy walk???
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Certainly not an easy walk. 600m vertical ascent up the front of the glacier...
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@BobinCH, ok, maybe I should have said ďskinĒ rather than walk, but having described it as a touring track I figured that would be self explanatory! About 250m ascent from top of bochard to col du rachasses, maybe 30 mins of skinning, quicker than the top lift on a powder day. Then 1000m of descent. This misses out the very top section from the top lift but gets you nearly all the steep stuff.

@Mac46, Iíve seen plenty of people take that route when the top lift isnít running, either starting at bochard or at the top of herse. It saw a lot of use last year when the top lift wasnít running.
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