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Early season ski touring Siberia Nov 16th tickets booked

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Gird your loins for the process of getting a visa. Itís long, tedious, expensive and involves a trip to an embassy or visa centre just to lodge your fingerprints
...Or, like Mrs MA & me, get invited back before the end of 2018 by the welcoming Mr Putin 'cos you have a Fan ID from a trip to the world cup wink...

We only went to Moscow - but it was fantastic. As others have said, it's well worth a visit. It far exceeded our expectations in every respect - a beautiful city of amazing architecture & lovely sights; lots to see; cheap accommodation (despite prices apparently rocketing for the world cup); very cheap food & drink; & welcoming & hospitable people. Definitely recommended.

Hmmm, now wondering if we could maybe look at a Siberia trip before the year end... Puzzled
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I went to Siberia every summer for trekking for about 10 years. Never been in winter. Its definitely worth going, at least once in a lifetime.
From sking perspective, in the Russia, at least 3 major destinations:
Sheregesh for great powder in the beginning of the season Nov-Dec
Mamay, etc
Heliski at Kamchatka - spring
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foxtrotzulu wrote:
@Weathercam, Gird your loins for the process of getting a visa. Itís long, tedious, expensive and involves a trip to an embassy or visa centre just to lodge your fingerprints.


How right you were, and still not really over!

For those that may not know - you have to have a letter of invitation from the people / tour op you're going to be staying with which has a lot of the detail that you need for the Visa application.

So if you don't have that you simply can't apply and if you happen to want to travel in the not too far off distant future you need to bear in mind you will not have your passport for up to 20 days - so yesterday had to fork out £185 for the express service as I'm going back to France week after next!

And the questions on the form !!

List the countries you've visited in the last ten years
List the passports you've had
If you have children list their passports.

Names and details of your parents etc etc

Clearly I was not in a position to have all the info and I don't think it will be an issue (fingers crossed) as the girl behind the counter did not pull me up on the lack of answers.

So back up to London next week to pick passport up, and luckily have to go there anyway.

Tis quite weird thinking about logistics* to get yourself prepared to be off in seven weeks time.

*back out to France, get gear and then back to UK to fly to Russia etc then back to France for some early skiing there hopefully then back to UK for Xmas then back out etc etc
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So if you don't have that you simply can't apply


It's true you need a letter of invitation. However, there are lots of travel agents that will make you a letter of invitation for a small fee. Most independent travellers do it this way as they don't have any kind of tour booked.

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you need to bear in mind you will not have your passport for up to 20 days


It's not much different to most things in life. If you want the cheap rate it takes longer. If you are in a rush you can do it faster but it costs more. Also 20 days is the absolute maximum, its normally a lot closer to the 5 days than the 5-20 they quote.

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List the countries you've visited in the last ten years
List the passports you've had
If you have children list their passports.

Names and details of your parents etc etc


They are all pretty standard visa questions you will get on the majority of visa forms. I don't think there's any questions there that I can't see a good reason for asking.

While it's a small hassle there are definitely places a lot more complicated for getting visas. In fact the only thing the sticks out about the Russian visa being more problematic than an average visa is the fact it's nearly impossible to get outside your home country (which may or may not be an issue).
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@boarder2020, did see various other ways of getting the "invitation" but I knew it was coming.

This is a good site https://russiable.co.uk/getting-russian-visa-united-kingdom/ with links to those co's that can do it.

OH & daughter did visa for India and was no where near as complex, plus for many visas you don't have to go in person!

Though was reading China and Iran tad more complex.

And ten or 20 days etc I just could not risk it!
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Yes I don't blame you for doing the express version in your circumstances. It was more a comment for people considering going in future, that the process usually doesn't take 20 days.

India is not too bad as it is an evisa - you just fill out the form online, pay your money, and then take the print out to exchange for the visa on arrival. Have not done an Indian visa for a few years so maybe more streamlined now, but forms were pretty long and featured all the same type of questions as Russia.

Some countries ask for lots more (bank statements, proof of flights in and out the country, accomodation bookings etc.). Some you have to go to specific embassies in a third country. If you're not used to visas russian is probably a bit of an ordeal, but it's not that bad in comparison to some, definitely shouldn't put people off going.
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@boarder2020, ironically Visas were not needed for the World Cup - and we all know how well behaved our fans can be Toofy Grin
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Did you hear the one about the Russian Tour Op that sent the wrong dates (and only to me) with the net result of then having to apply for a new visa and nigh on another £200 and two more trips to London.

Then trying to book Aeroflot flights and credit card companies a bit twitchy about payments to Russia and subsequent associated hassle etc etc

Anyway now have flights to Moscow booked then overnight flight to Abakan followed by a train journey into the back of beyond Toofy Grin

Beginning to get a tad "stoked" Laughing

Might have to start thinking about what skis to take, though still an outside chance of a certain set of bindings appearing on the scene Cool

Decisions, decisions
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If you haven't already seen it check out the Sherpa studios ski video - the Siberian traverse. It's free and YouTube and should get you stoked. They do a backcountry lodge segment which may even be the same area you are going.
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@Weathercam, There's no real question here. I couldn't go 'cos of family history etc. . . . but I would bite off and BBQ my right nut for the opportunity. There are few unique opportunities available to most of us great unwashed. This is one of them.

Be aware that it will be 'RUSTIC' . . . in all senses of the word . . . and take with you repair components for anything that is essential and may break . . . even better, try to co-ordinate your equipment so that there is redundancy within the group.


Beyond that . . . kiss your liver good-bye Twisted Evil получайте удовольствие мой друг Madeye-Smiley
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Siberia is where the Soviets sent their citizens for punishment. Good luck.
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@Weathercam, I'm jealous! what a fantastic way to kick off the season.


Excellent for us anyway, I predict record snowfall in the Alps for mid November.
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@boarder2020,
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They are all pretty standard visa questions you will get on the majority of visa forms. I don't think there's any questions there that I can't see a good reason for asking.


Russian visa applications ask for a list of all countries you have visited in the last ten years and entry/exit dates of each and every visit. That seems a litle excessive to me and, if I had spent a year in somewhere dodgy, I probably wouldn't include it on the list anyway. You can actually get away with providing far less than the full list but not everyone knows that.
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foxtrotzulu wrote:
@boarder2020,
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They are all pretty standard visa questions you will get on the majority of visa forms. I don't think there's any questions there that I can't see a good reason for asking.


Russian visa applications ask for a list of all countries you have visited in the last ten years and entry/exit dates of each and every visit. That seems a litle excessive to me and, if I had spent a year in somewhere dodgy, I probably wouldn't include it on the list anyway. You can actually get away with providing far less than the full list but not everyone knows that.


Of course visa forms are often bureaucracy for the sake of it, so you can often get away with putting far less information than needed (or even false information). An example would be Chinese visa where many people use fake flight and hotel bookings to get the visa. The problem you would have is that you've been somewhere "dodgy" you probably have a nice big visa/stamp in your passport. If the person doing your application sees that you've been somewhere dodgy and not mentioned it you may well get your application rejected. Mention it and they probably won't care, or will contact you for further info.

To be honest I would rather provide my travel history (really not such a huge deal) than them have a blanket ban that excludes everyone that's been to certain countries. I'm in a situation now where I'm not eligible for USA esta because I've simply visited a country they don't like. I don't have sufficient ties to UK for the full usa tourist visa, so basically can't go. So the Russian policy does not seem so bad, and is still a lot easier than a number of other visas. I accept if you travel to more "regular" countries russian visa may seem excessive and complicated, but compared to a lot of others it's similar and still easier than some.
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@davidof, you could also have added and "warmest start to the winter in Siberia since records began" Toofy Grin

Mind you can't complain about this year so far Cool

And re the Visa application listing countries visited in the last ten years - I just listed last three years.

At the Visa office they do go through the application quite thoroughly before passing it on to the Embassy for approval so any issues they would then point them out.

Nice little vid


http://youtube.com/v/mU4gKc3Se7c
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