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Marker F12 vs Salomon/Atomic Shift bindings

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I own 2 sets of skis

Nordica Enforcer 100s with Marker F12 bindings
Line Sick Day Tourists with Diamir Vipec bindings
My first skinning experience was with the former and I struggled ..... so the next year I bought the latter.
The Line/Vipec combination proved much better for the up ... but the Enforcers are SO much better for the down.
I had thought that it was the total weight that was causing me difficulties ... BUT ... listening to an excellent interview with Cody Townsend and others about the new Salomon/Atomic Shift binding, I may have modified my opinion.

http://blistergearreview.com/at-binding-reviews/the-new-salomon-slab-shift-mnc-ep-3

During the discussion it was suggested that the problem with a frame binding like the Marker Tour F12 is that you are lifting practically the whole binding with your boot with every step. With a pin binding you are only lifting your boot.
Their opinion was that this made more difference than the weight of ski.... interesting.
Do you think that if I replaced my F12s with a pair of Shifts that it would make a significant difference to my uphill performance?
I know my downhill joy would be increased greatly with the Enforcers and, what is for all extents and purposes, an alpine binding.

I have to mention that I am not an out and out tour-er .... for me skinning is more a method of finding better snow. Anything over 2 hours and I am losing interest a bit.

Any thoughts?
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FoofyNoo wrote:


During the discussion it was suggested that the problem with a frame binding like the Marker Tour F12 is that you are lifting practically the whole binding with your boot with every step. With a pin binding you are only lifting your boot.
Their opinion was that this made more difference than the weight of ski.... interesting.
Do you think that if I replaced my F12s with a pair of Shifts that it would make a significant difference to my uphill performance?
I know my downhill joy would be increased greatly with the Enforcers and, what is for all extents and purposes, an alpine binding.


This is pretty common knowledge, and yes they would wink It's like lifting ~500g more or less with every step.
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Plus a tech toe has a more natural pivot point than a frame binding which makes the 'stride' easier.
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clarky999 wrote:
This is pretty common knowledge, and yes they would wink It's like lifting ~500g more or less with every step.


Strangely, considering I am somewhat obsessed, in all my internet trawling I have never heard this expressed. Especially as it is a fundamental flaw.
Now, of course, it makes complete sense to me.
Thank you.

So ... off with the Markers ... on with the Shifts ...

Anyone know what the UK price will be? Spyderjon?
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Not cheap!
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Of course they aren't ..... any bit of skiing gear I want seems to be super expensive!
I have managed to persuade myself that these things are a necessity rather than a luxury ... it seems to make it easier to part with the cash .....,
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@FoofyNoo, I've PM'd you.
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The UK list price for the Shift is £400 which is quite a bit less than the competition. And I'm doing a great pre-order deal on Shifts wink
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Thanks Jon
Can't wait to try them out.
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