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@Markhandford, that was a good trash, then! Glad that it's all seeming so positive so far and interested and pleased that even with your pro activities you have been advised and are hoping to go the conservative route.
Like you said, sometimes body things just take their own time. Hope that it works out for you. You seem to have a realistic understanding of how it may turn out. Hopefully, barring any further incidents (which could have caused injury anyway, irrespective of the past knee injuries), you'll be back out there soon.
(Only mountaineering related thing I've noticed, bar getting stamina and strength back, is a rather timid approach to ice or mud or descending polished rock. Fear of slipping and falling and reinjuring the knee. Hopefully time will prove this is overcomable.)
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@Markhandford, Well what a story and a rich vein of information but as you say we are all different. Its great news to hear your progress to recovery.

I like you sometimes forget I have no ACL but 7 months on the soft tissue damage still gives me slight pain and stiffness. However, its is getting better every day and with some mild easing of the knee it goes away. I do notice that the ACL deficient knee is looser when I am not weight bearing on it which is slightly disconcerting but not at all painful. Muscle mass is all but there and perhaps better than it was before, considering the amount of time I have spent in the gym it is all to be expected.

My physio is keen on running to build the new neuro pathways plus turning on a Bosu ball with my eyes closed (testing). All good stuff and new training experiences which for me is excellent and worth the effort.

Just to be safe I have ordered a CTi brace to ski. In the long run I may not need it but the thought of straining the soft tissues in my knee make the cost worth it.

Good luck and to everyone else out there. Very Happy
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@ItaloSkier, Good for you. As you say it's all day to day, and it takes a bit of time, but by the sound of it you'll be super strong by then and are already doing extremely well (my niggles hate you! wink ).


One can hope... I still have issues here and there but there's time to work through a good strength protocol.

@Markhandford Good to read your story and best of luck on the continued rehab.
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@ItaloSkier, my physio checked out my old running shoes and suggested I could do with a new and perhaps better pair. Prior to new shoes I had pain in front of knee, post new shoes all comfy. My pace over 2.5 km is good enough to pass the army fitness test, job done. He also put me on a negative gravity running machine, Mo uses one, to check out my running technique which proved to be ok. It might be something to check.
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I wear the infamous Vibram Five Fingers which have always served my knees very well... they have been extremely helpful in all of my rehab exercises. Its been quite some time since I've tried running on a treadmill so maybe a quick test would be worthwhile... certainly less impact versus pavement.

https://us.vibram.com/shop/fivefingers/ (my divisive but effective preference... some people hate they way they look and I get that but they work extremely well for me)
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Starting to realize that perhaps a) I don't like running which I truly don't and b) when I do, its best not done on the pavement. Kicked the ball with my son the other day on a pitch near my office... was out there practicing corner kicks, dribbling, passing etc. Plenty of running around and no pain front of knee. That seems to imply that perhaps the issue is not the running or the shoes but the surface. Need to test the theory on a treadmill.

Never been a big fan of running for distance so inability to run a 5k won't be terribly disappointing.
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@ItaloSkier, I have long struggled even walking long ways on pavement or hard surfaces, never mind running on it. Rough ground, long bumpy grass, snow, rock etc - all fine. My body just doesn't like it flat and even.
Mind you, Grizzlers are not and never have been running creatures; not even bouncy joggers. Was very happy when a specialist leg sports physio looked at my weirdly-pointing kneecaps (way before injury, just the way my lower leg bones were put together by nature) and said "I'm not surprised that you don't like running: you really aren't built for it". Quel domage... Laughing He wasn't at all bothered about it vis the ACL/MCL rehab.
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Very pleased yesterday - with already tired legs, made it relatively easily (puff, pant, gasp) up Hall's Fell & Narrow Edge onto Blencathra. Fair few scrambling and easy climbing moves (or not so easy with my short little legs) and a lot of rough stony ground (as opposed to my usual very rough grassy bog) then the long 'easy' slog down the steep stony track. God, my legs have forgotten what a good ascent is! (My fault: too busy with other stuff to get out much this summer.) Tired quads, stiff hams and deep achy peroneals and upper thigh, but no knee joint problems or stiffness yesterday, just very some minor twinges today. Nothing that, hopefully, a lot of doing more of the same won't cure.
Good legs. Good knees Very Happy
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@Grizzler, well done Very Happy. Not long and you will be booking winter holidays
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Has anyone tried this program for ACL recovery/injury prevention? I'm going to print this out...

http://www.aclstudygroup.com/pdf/pep-program.pdf

Went ahead and committed to going back to Chamonix next March. Can't back out now.
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No ACL and doing fine - Ish Sad
One month ago the physio said sit to stand one leg with no wobble.
A month later and still can't do this due to knee pain, front of knee somewhere, and my kneecap is clicking and jumping upwards all the time, sometimes painful and definitely off-putting, so no progression yet, to allow me to go for skipping or jogging, a month behind is how I feel.

I still can't walk down the stairs normally, I thud down on to my good leg as the knee pain feels like massive pressure in my kneecap somewhere.
So a switch from 2 legged gym work to one legged gym work now.

On the plus point I have gained 1/4" size on my bad leg, that includes calf, knee and mid thigh. So the German volume training has worked somewhat over the past 5 weeks, however the bad leg can only leg press 68kg, where as both legs together I am able to do 100 reps of 143kg, so my good leg is doing a lot of work.
Over the next 17 weeks of single leg press work Im planning to get the weight up to the same as my good leg to balance it out. (edited - should say that this is not my sole exercise regime, but don't want to bore folks with what Im doing and what is working for me - Unless people want to know/compare training etc)

Also on my 'bad leg side' I have a bit of a twist in hip rotation, so more work needed on my hamstrings and glutes.

I really feel against the clock now, as 1st week in Jan that's me in the Alps for the whole of the season.
Really starting to chew that which I have bitten off! Hard work all the way folks, we will all get there in the end!
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4 1/2 months to go. You can do it.
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