A general indicator of some costs in resort, but excluding accommodation, travel, breakfast & dinner. Includes pass, equipment hire, half day group lessons, coffee, soft drink, beer, wine and 2 course lunch on the mountain.
15/22 resorts survey have lower costs than a year ago, eg Morzine down 13%, Val D'Isere down 7.6%.
A few Canadian and USA resorts included. Canada broadly double and USA more than triple comparable costs in European resorts.
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Travel and accommodation must be two of the biggest costs, so a bit of a pointless comparison without them?
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Useful survey IMHO. Different people travel from different places, so impossible to include travel. Similarly some will self-cater and others will stay in a swish hotel. The items that the Post Office have costed are common to almost all.
Really, really please we don't pay those prices when in North America
We'd never afford the 18 day trip
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It looks like a really useful summary of the additional costs you are likely to pay on top of your package price, if you are a Crystal customer on some kind of half board deal.
I suspect the lack of inclusion of travel and accommodation costs is more to do with protecting Crystal's commercial interests than any true lack of comparability. Plenty of costs on there that will not apply to many skiers - for example, the fairly significant ski hire and ski school costs, not to mention the 2/3 bottle wine they reckon the average skier gets through at lunch.
Useful if you want to see where these preselected resorts rank in terms of cost.
Not useful if you'd just prefer to see the 10 cheapest resorts.
Is a Morzine lift pass really only £143?
Those USA/America prices are an absolute joke.
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Well a morzine pass is €149
If you are a child, and stay only in morzine for 6 days
Full PDS is €260
But still pretty good value!
Surveys like this are just clickbait for fools like us at the part of the year when the season is tantalisingly close
After all it is free
After all it is free
This is a frighting report, not for what it says but the way it has done its maths. Its writers should go back to school. The headline figures contain, for Kranjska Gora, £325.47 which includes a 6 days lift pass at £146.06 but only a single cup of coffee at £1.26. The single item food and drink bill is then added to the 6 day lift pass etc cost. It assumes that 6 days ski hire is essential but only a single coffee. Sorry, @Gämsbock, but you only get one 1/2 litre of wine all week, no doubt to go with your single lunch.
If they cannot get that single set of units correct would you trust them with your money?
Now to the other bits: to most of us on this forum, travel and accommodation costs are essentials, whereas ski and boot hire are less important than the extra cost of transporting our own. Why are these figures not included?
Mind you the ski school prices were very revealing 6 1/2 days in Morzine £133, whereas in Val d'Isere it is £212. I thought ESF prices were fairly constant across France. Actually £212 seems a lot more than I can recall paying for ski lessons even accounting for inflation.
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@johnE, would you have liked them to use a £30 per night accommodation or a £300+ per night accommodation?
would you have liked them to use £80 return flight or £500 one?
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A better cost comparison would be to compare costs for a) a couple off peak, and b) a family of four in half term. Then include average flight prices and pick some sort of accommodation e.g., 30m2 ski-in-ski-out for the couple, and 60m2 for the family. Harder to do, but would give a true comparison.
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@mikeycharlton, Yes, whatever it actually costs.
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@johnE,
+1 totally agree, diabolical maths and quite glad I don't trust Post Office Money with my money if that's an example of their quality.
As for the Morzine pass the Post Office could have just about claimed for it to be £143 if they had taken the current price of €199, applied the 15% discount that was available for all pre-purchases prior to September 30 and used an exchange rate of €1.135 to the £1.
This is just another example "Journalist" maths, making up the numbers to suit the story you want to write
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25cl of beer.... what bloody use is that???
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
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25cl of beer.... what bloody use is that???
This!
I don't think they'd give you a 25cl in the Krazy kangaru, as illustrated in my round up of this seasons soirée to st Anton...,
Hmm 4 out of the 6 N American resorts quoted are Vail Resorts which aren't exactly known for being a budget option. Also ignores the fact that the lift pass price quoted basically buys you a season pass which includes multiple days at Euro resorts.
Not very informative.
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It does seem to be a very selective list of resorts. They include a resort in Finland but none in Sweden. Seems a little arbitrary the way they do their calculations.
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Well, I think it's fair to offer a comparison, even if the criteria aren't perfect. It's apples to apples.
Also, for some people different criteria are important. For me the deal breakers are travel and accommodation. When I start planning a ski vacation, I start with those two. If we can afford to get there and stay there, as a family of 4, then the rest is pretty much a non factor. Skipass/rental/lessons/food -- might be a total of 500-750 euros difference among 90 percent of Alps resorts tbh.
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Another thread has the 2016 report -- the prices in that are unbelievable (Kranska Gora pass = £454...!)