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thefatcontroller wrote:
Addition of Carelly lift makes a huge difference there. On a board from top of Carelly to bottom is a great blast and avoids the flat at the top ridge and home into 2000 has options too via Lac or otherwise.
Indeed. When I first saw the start point for that lift I thought it was a mistake (not taking it down to Arc 1800), but having used it for a few seasons now I think it's very good planning.
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Where is this, have the just hung the Pre Saint webcam from a lamp post somewhere?

http://m.webcam-hd.com/lesarcs/chantier-pre-st-esprit
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rob@rar wrote:
johnE wrote:
There is no sign of any link from the top of Mont Black to the top of Combourcier.
Would that be possible? Isn't the top of Mt Blanc lift lower than the entrance to Combourcier?


Rob, the question I was asking was about the potential for a cheap drag lift / rope tow from Mont Blanc up the side of the top of Belvedere. Without a link from 1600, the Combouciere 'face' is still only served by the one lift. From 2000 valley. (Or as above, via Clocheret and Muget (black), when safe).

And whilst improving return routes to 1600, the investment in a speedy Combouciere does nothing to improve the spread of the new occupants from Club Med throughout the domain at first lift - they will all be heading for Cachette. Bonne chance there boys and girls... any 1600 'er fancy that queue come ski-school start?

(OK - Mont Blanc does give you the opportunity to use the ugly Belvedere track down to the top of Cachette: but then you've got to make a call at the bottom: weighing up shortest queue, fastest lift, impact of additional ski along what will be a busy track, just to get to the same place. I still think it will create a short-sighted bottleneck at that point)


But, as per johnE answer, it is not something they are putting in place so far.
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@thefatcontroller, yes! - that's the old workers accommodation used when re-doing the Malgovert pipes last year: on the road above Deux Tetes. We are thinking it now houses the workers for the Club Med build.
Club Med is just behind that building, the new road entrance is shown on the left of camera shot.
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@Arctic Roll, ah, I understand. Yes, some kind of link from the Mt Blanc chairlift to get to Comborciere (both the black and the new red pistes) would be good, but I can't imagine where something like that would go. There's not space for a simple rope tow alongside the Belvedere piste (it's just a narrow track, but you could pick up too much speed if you are going to have skiers running against the traffic on a rope tow), and anything else would be a big project involving lots of earthworks.

Perhaps the best option is to make more effort to keep the black Muguet piste from the top of Clocheret open for much more of the time (maybe install some snow cannons down there), and maybe a new red piste taking skiers left from the top of the Clocheret chair (although I think that might be at risk of avalanche terrain above it).
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@rob@rar, v. true about Belvedere, It was a pipe-dream really, since I don't think you can get around the Malgovert side of the mountain to Pre St Esprit without serous deforestation and cliff removal...

Clocheret is well under-used (possibly the last 'secret stash' in the domain...), so you could be right, make that a more attractive alternative option for getting over to 2000 from 1600. It is soooo slow though! - and again, does have a pre-requisite of Cachettes for the Club Med users to get out of 1600.

Great to be talking about the winter though! 137 days to opening Saturday...
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@rob@rar, The question may have been why did the Mont Blanc lift not go to the ridge in the first place? I vaguely remember that it was a deliberate planning issue not to allow new lifts to go to the ridge. A bit daft IMHO since the top of the Mont Blanc lift dominates the skyline anyway. I think the Belvarde piste is a bit too long and steep for a tow rope, never mind the potential for head on collisions.

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Perhaps the best option is to make more effort to keep the black Muguet piste from the top of Clocheret open for much more of the time (maybe install some snow cannons down there), and maybe a new red piste taking skiers left from the top of the Clocheret chair (although I think that might be at risk of avalanche terrain above it).

When Muguet is closed is it most often due to avalanche risk. Clocheret is equally at risk from poor snow. I don't think snow cannon would help other than protecting the base of my skis, and @Arctic Roll, please stop mentioning Clocheret. I actually use Muguet to get over to the 2000 valley when it is open. Though slow it is a more attractive route than Ours, the road down from the top of the Arpette, or going all the way down to the Transarc.

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(OK - Mont Blanc does give you the opportunity to use the ugly Belvedere track down to the top of Cachette: but then you've got to make a call at the bottom: weighing up shortest queue, fastest lift, impact of additional ski along what will be a busy track, just to get to the same place. I still think it will create a short-sighted bottleneck at that point)


Being lazy and not fancying the walk through the village I make that call every morning from the top of the Combettes lift.

The Mont Blanc lift takes a lot of the traffic from the funicular so can get busy in the mornings already. I can imagine it becoming a bit of a problem, but then what traffic does the club med in Arc 2000 generate. Perhaps they should have left the Gollet lift in place.

Combourciere did need upgradaing. It already had one of the longest queues in the resort at the end of the day (I have been known to walk over the road and get the bus) add in the new customers returning to the Club Med and it would be a nightmare. As I see it the main purpose of the upgraded lift is to make the northern part of the resort more busy by driving people over there.
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I actually use Muguet to get over to the 2000 valley when it is open. Though slow it is a more attractive route than Ours, the road down from the top of the Arpette, or going all the way down to the Transarc.

Certainly 100% agree now Pre St Esprit has been upgraded. Not sure I'd have followed that logic prior to last year tho', when the "Lift-that-shall-not-be-named" (Ltsnbn? wink ) AND PsE (plus queue) would have taken you half the skiing day to get anywhere. Skiing Muget for its own sake, yes, a lovely little face: but as a route to 2000? - not a #1 choice before '17/18.
You'd get more skiing per hour using the bus!
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