Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I can do that.
Gis a job.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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first spend about 10 grand on passing each course to prove you can.. then get a job at minimum wage
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Is it a real L3 demoer not someone skiing down? Standard looks realistic not WC racer or ski porn star. Nice and clear. Camera angle on steeps not brilliant.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Dave of the Marmottes, I think they are BASI trainers "dumbing down" a performance... A big improvement to the previous videos which were quite dated..
they did a good job showing the pace needed and how "sloppy" you can be in the terrain, lots of bouncing around, head nodding and checking going on in the bumps and variables clips which looks about right for an L3 skier.
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Thought did cross my mind but she isn't skiing BBRs for BASI so does not compute.
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yup I recon Lynn as well, can you guess the guy Hint VD skier
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skimottaret wrote: |
first spend about 10 grand on passing each course to prove you can.. then get a job at minimum wage |
Hmm. Think I'll just spend my 10G on having fun!
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I have to say that the standard shown looks to my untrained but cynical eye to be wayyyyy beyond L3. And I have skied with a trainer who didn't seem to look that good, aeasthetically.
Sorry.
Nice skiing though
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@under a new name, First one down on 'Steeps' was going for it i thought. Second more 'within them-self ', remainder vids i thought was about right - pretty pretty good and very competent but not really 'Dazzling' - that HAS to be level 4...
Yeah, it's a lot of dosh and @Steilhang, it's 10G per level not all up! Athough, can't L1 and 2 be done on a 'gap year' scheme for about £7 / 8 G ? - of course, they're additional living expenses on top...
Not an easy profession to make any money at...
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You know it makes sense.
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@Tim Heeney, I can get an awful lot of skiing done for 30K pounds. That doesn't sound like a very good deal to me!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Steilhang, to me as well, also i'm unsure how gratifying it is for level 4's teaching the lower levels - level 1's especially. There's so so much of repeating the same over and over again...it must become very tedious.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I actually get as much enjoyment out of teaching complete beginners as I do teaching already-good skiers. I think either could become tedious if you had to do that exclusively, and teaching a variety of skiers at different levels is what keeps it interesting for me. It's better to think of it as teaching skiers (as then it's interesting no matter what level you're working at as everyone has their own challenges) rather than teaching skiing (where you might find it gets repetitive as you're not tailoring anything to the individuals).
I've never added up what I've spent on my hobby of teaching skiers, but I'm pretty sure it is a long way short of £10,000 per level, plus for a lot of the time I'm getting paid to do it, which is better than most. I would wager I'll have spent less than £10,000 in total to get my BASI L3 *and* SSE L3 qualifications. Still a lot of money, but probably around 10 weeks skiing for those courses and training, though I'm sure I could have spent a lot more if I'd tried.
But to keep it on the topic of the videos: thanks for posting them, very useful to see, particularly the progression and changes through the different levels. I think a couple of them might be a bit good for the level they are at (i.e. they would be a very solid pass rather than a borderline one) but that's no bad thing. It's interesting to me that you (or at least I) can get a much better sense of the differences between the levels from the full-speed sections rather than the slow-motion sections.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Tim Heeney, I can get an awful lot of skiing done for 30K pounds. That doesn't sound like a very good deal to me!
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in fairness I doubt (or at least hope) most ski instructors think of their career as being to get as much skiing done as possible. I hope they find TEACHING people to ski rewarding.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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jedster wrote: |
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@Tim Heeney, I can get an awful lot of skiing done for 30K pounds. That doesn't sound like a very good deal to me!
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in fairness I doubt (or at least hope) most ski instructors think of their career as being to get as much skiing done as possible. I hope they find TEACHING people to ski rewarding. |
I'm sure you are right. However, having got to know a large number of Austrian ski teachers, I have learned that teaching isn't the only thing that motivates them...
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@Steilhang,
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having got to know a large number of Austrian ski teachers, I have learned that teaching isn't the only thing that motivates them...
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could you ( if appropriate ) politely / delicately expand on this please...enjoying your contribution.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Tim Heeney wrote: |
@Steilhang, it's 10G per level not all up! Athough, can't L1 and 2 be done on a 'gap year' scheme for about £7 / 8 G ? |
L1 course fee is £430, L2 course fee is £660, so £1090 course fees. Yes lift passes on top of that but all the rest (travel/accomm) can be worked out cheaply. No need to spend 8G to get to level 2...
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Yep, if I were to spend 8 grand and a whole winter I'd want to get more out of it than an L2. L2's not nothing, but it's not worth that much, in the scheme of things.
But yeah all told, it amazes me that anyone can afford the time and the money needed to get through the higher levels. One or the other, fine. But both? I know I can't manage that.
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@Tim Heeney, not sure where you are getting your gap year prices from. Most courses that are in the 8k mark include accommodation and food. The only real additional living expense is alcohol!
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http://snoworksgap.co.uk/8-week-level-1-2/
£7,750
Yes, that's with accommodation included too. But that's an expected part of the course afaik. So it's fair of @Tim Heeney to quote that.
There are no guarantees of passing the course, either...
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@Maireadoconnor,
I get the impression is that quite a lot of people doing the lower qualifications are comfortably off and have no real intention of working professionally. Don't see the attraction myself but each to their own...
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@jedster, bank of mum & dad in a lot of cases...
FWIW I did my L1 in a fridge and my L2 as a standalone course after a moderate amount of training I'd arranged privately. Nowhere near £8k. I'm glad I did it; my skiing is far better than it was, and the teaching has been both enjoyable and also useful in my professional life - lots of transferrable skills in terms of client care, communication skills, empathy with different learning styles, etc etc.
L3 is a different kettle of fish. Whilst I'd like to give it a shot I just can't see how I can fit it around my full-time job without giving myself a nervous breakdown.
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Do most people actually do BASI with the intent of becoming a ski instructor, or just for fun and to add to an lifetime haul of ESF badges?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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L3 is a different kettle of fish. Whilst I'd like to give it a shot I just can't see how I can fit it around my full-time job without giving myself a nervous breakdown.
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@Maireadoconnor, I haven't completed the process yet, but I think it's doable. It just takes a while longer than if you were free from the constraints/rewards of work, family, etc. I'd be happy to chat next time we're both at Hemel.
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Do most people actually do BASI with the intent of becoming a ski instructor, or just for fun and to add to an lifetime haul of ESF badges?
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BASI aren't entirely forthcoming with the statistics for that, but I think there is certainly a large fraction who do it as something interesting to do but have no intention of ever teaching. There's then a big chunk like me who use the qualifications but not as their main profession, and effectively subsidise their ski instruction with income from elsewhere. Those that actually become full time ski instructors are I think very much in the minority.
As to ESF badges, I did find my Troisieme Etoile badge the other day and wondered how long I could have it on my instructing jacket before anyone commented on it.
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You know it makes sense.
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@kieranm, that would be nice, thanks
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I'll hazard a guess Scott meant 10k to pass all the courses, combined, to get to L3. When taking travel from the UK for multiple trips into account that figure may not be far off for many candidates, especially considering the modules may not all be passed first time. It could cost more but surely not as much as 10k "per level" to that point.
L1 should be doable for £500 at a UK artificial slope for most competent skiers. L2 also possible as a 2 week trip for strong skiers, though most probably benefit from some specific training prior to the course. For L3 the sheer number of modules pumps the price right up, even for those who need no training outside the courses. I would expect most trainees do invest in specific training to get through the L3 Tech & Teach nowadays, much less so going back a decade or two when advanced training was more informal between keen instructors and ski school leads, and this adds a highly variable expense depending on existing skier and athletic abilities.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Maireadoconnor wrote: |
L3 is a different kettle of fish. Whilst I'd like to give it a shot I just can't see how I can fit it around my full-time job without giving myself a nervous breakdown. |
Does L3 teach you how to put on your tele bindings without youtube? Can see that might take a lot of training.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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