 Poster: A snowHead
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| foxtrotzulu wrote: |
| .......you will always have the problem that DIN settings can vary according to the brand of binding.........and possibly the type/size of ski too....... |
Incorrect on both counts.
| foxtrotzulu wrote: |
| ......I'd suggest you spend a few minutes looking at an online DIN calculator to get an idea of what to expect, then simply make sure you pick a good rental shop and go in at a quiet time when they can talk to you in detail. |
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I'm hoping it will quiet early-mid March, well, compared to February at least anyway. Done a few DIN online calculators and come up with 5.5-6. Would this be about right would you say?
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@spyderjon, indeed
@surfcfc, as Jon says, DIN is a STANDARD - and meticulously applied in manufacture of bindings, thank goodness.
Your PERSONAL SETTING will vary with:
the length of your boot (BSL = boot sole length, stated usually on the heel of the boot = eg 26 boot typically has 305mm BSL
your weight
possibly your ability (tech will advise)
possibly your age (tech will advise - no adjustment to the 'table setting' for around 5-50 but some adjustment 0-5 and 50+ is sometimes recommended
possibly injury (tech will advise)
so the DIN tables are useful - using weight and BSL - but a good tech will be really helpful when it comes to making a judgement about your ACL
note that I get a regular assessment of my ACL (damaged 30 years' ago) using a standard set of tests, which the consultant does in five minutes. and that's always been really helpful - last assessment by Sir George Bentley of all people, who said after doing the tests - 'go on stressing it skiing, cycling and climbing to get those muscles as strong as possible...' but that's mine, and yours may be different, hence the importance of just getting a quick check. Mine costs £90 plus x-rays if they are needed. Worth every penny.
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The 'junior' downward age adjustment on DIN charts is for ages 9 & under, not 5 & under.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| surfcfc wrote: |
| I'm hoping it will quiet early-mid March, well, compared to February at least anyway. |
It will be. Don't sweat it.
| surfcfc wrote: |
| Done a few DIN online calculators and come up with 5.5-6. Would this be about right would you say? |
Sounds about right. My missus is around about that - though she's advanced level. Always better to be quite conservative and then tweak up if proving to release a little easier than you'd expect. But bear in mind there are a myriad of factors at play - wear of the boot heel/toe, age/state of the binding, how aggressively you are skiing. One thing to be careful of is to make sure you clear the sole of your boot of snow completely before clipping in. Balance on one leg and hit with your pole, scrape with the end of your pole, roll it over the front binding, etc.
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Bear in mind also that you have to fall in a particular way and at a reasonable enough speed (I generalise) for boots to release from bindings. A lot of low-speed falls, e.g. standing & losing balance, tripping over something, slipping or coming off a lift, are the cause of ACL and knee ligament injuries. Perhaps because the skis often don't release here. They don't always release even in the more spectacular tumbles either, even at lower to recommended settings. All physics...
Not wanting to scare or put you off at all: just a fact as I understand and have personally experienced it. Therefore, whilst it is important, DIN is by far not the be and end all.
Best just not to fall over; or get pushed... 
Last edited by You'll need to Register first of course. on Fri 9-06-17 14:10; edited 1 time in total
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@spyderjon, ...interesting Jon - am interested in your take on this re 5, 9 etc.
I have used the Salomon Tech Alpine guidance for a few years now - note page 7 of 14-15
http://salomontechnician.com/uploads/alpine_tech_manual_14-15.pdf
page 7 table is getting quite elaborate for ski length for young people
Setting DIN for young people uses the charts which have been around for some time p39 - and yes you're right this mentions 'under 10'.
Many people are not aware of the junior binding - adult binding switch on boots, around the 25 mondo point, and is important of course.
@surfcfc, you may be interested in the ski length table on page 6 - good reading from Cornwall before you get to a shop.
Re knowing your DIN - The tech manual mentions explicitly Type 1- skiers (type one minus) which is defined as 'beginners over 25 years of age' - and not all shops apply this at all.
Spyderjon - query looking at the tech manual again - it states
3. For skiers who are 50 years or older, or under 10: move up one row on the chart. For skiers weight 13kg and under no further correction is appropriated (sic). For skiers weight 17 kg and under, type 1- is inappropriated (sic).
I have always interpreted this as: for youngsters, move up one row - and if the skier is 13kg or under, then never apply any further 1- or type 2 and 3 corrections.
Is that right?
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Fri 9-06-17 15:06; edited 2 times in total
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@spyderjon,
"DIN settings can vary according to the brand of binding" - I bow to your superior knowledge. I asumed there was some slight variation as some of the DIN calculators I have seen ask you to select the binding manufacturer when filling in the form.
https://www.easycalculation.com/sports/din-calculator.php
http://www.powder7.com/ski-bindings-din-chart/sizing-guide
This one also says: 'Settings vary slightly by manufacturer but this chart should give you enough information to select which Atomic, Head, Look, Marker, Rossignol, Salomon, or Tyrolia bindings to buy.'
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@spyderjon, do bindings change with age? I once rented a set of 'well used' skis that I didn't lose once despite falling several times (they were also a pig to get off, had to stand on them rather than using poles) but they were set around my usual DIN. Not sure if it's because I skied differently then, because of their age or because they weren't overly well maintained (or a combination of the three)
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@valais2, what do you mean about the junior or adult "switch on boots"?
If about Mondo 25 as a cut off, there's a lot of smaller & female people who could be affected by... Well, what, and on what?
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@Grizzler, ....the size of the lugs on boots changes at around 25 mondo - they switch over from small lugs to bigger lugs - the binding areas are actually a different size on junior boots compared to adult boots. Some bindings will work with both junior and adult lug sizes, some will not - and it changes as new models come out. When they are incompatible (junior not working in adult bindings, adult not working in junior bindings) then you can have release problems. We have some tyrolia bindings which I have labelled very clearly since although they will open enough to take an adult boot they are not compatible with them and chew to pieces the heel lugs on adult boots . This is an area of some confusion and problems.
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@altis, ....excellent....that's it....
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You know it makes sense.
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foxtrotzulu,
I'm intrigued. How will the rental shop take care of the longer bed that is required? 
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@valais2, @altis,
Thanks. That rings a bell now re when I was looking at buying some junior race skis (being a small enough creature).
Interesting that in having a boot fit from M22-23 depending on desired tightness & make, plus narrow low volume feet, I have often been advised to try junior race boots - but no-one's ever advised me that this could introduce binding incompatibility issues on own or hired skis.
Useful to know.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@Grizzler, ...yes it's important to be aware of this. It can be OK or it can be a big problem - really important to check out the compatibility specs for each binding - which is easy enough with Salomon (just google Salomon Technical Manual) but can be a bit more tricky with other manufacturers. Mostly, junior boots have a reduced flex - which is good, since means lightweight weenies can flex then, with lower KG mass, and flex the boots properly. I would seldom put an adult in junior boots even if the foot fits, since the flex can be quite wrong. Can be OK, but mostly isn't.
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AAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!! skinerd porn alert . . . . 
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@Masque, ...I've got some good stuff on torsional flex, gov'nor, but it'll cost ....
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Agree on avoiding the dry slopes, either book a quick Premier Inn near a 'fridge', MK, Manchester, Hemel if you want to give it a go or get the lessons from Day 1. My girls are excellent skiers, early ESF Gold and race training in the Alps, fantastic technique, can get down anything beautifully and safely, unlike their Mother! Joined Hemel ski race club and loved it in the fridge. We started the Summer ERSA races and so took them for their first go at a dry slope in Welwyn and they loathed it. If I had not seen it with my own eyes, I would not have believed the difference it made to them. So I'd avoid if I was you. Kids are resilient and it has been a learning experience and they have to do it if they want to race, but as an adult with an injury, I would not be bothered.
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Have you thought about Austria? Austrian resorts tend to have a lot more hotels and much less in the way of chalets and apartments, so you might get something that suits you better there. I'd suggest you look at Obertauern or Saalback-Hinterglemm. Practically any Austrian resort will have a good range of hotels, good food, cheap food and drink on the mountain and some lively après bars if you want them. Pistes are generally very well groomed and the uplift tends to be modern fast chairs and gondolas.
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