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Touring Boots v Normal ski boots

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My old boots are nearing the end of their days and a friend of mine suggested I buy Touring Boots as a replacement.
I tend to ski mainly on piste, with a little bit of off piste and have never been Ski Touring. However, he says that Touring Boots these days are absolutely fine for piste skiing and 'like slippers' compared to normal boots, which will make walking around the resorts and enjoying Apres that much more comfortable.

I realise they are more expensive but if my friend's advice is correct, I think it is worth the extra price. Does anyone agree or disagree with his advice?

Many Thanks.
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"Touring" or "Freeride"?

This is one of those interesting industry changes which actually are real differences, not just marketing puff.

Many (most?) manufacturers now have introduced "Freeride" boots which generally aren't as light as full on touring boots, but intended rather more for short climbs to access off piste, and which perform on piste almost if not as well as "piste" boots. Full on "touring" boots are still somewhat softer than stiff piste boots.

Comfort is of course a different factor - I believe they are typically made with wider lasts than, say, race boots, but many non-race piste boots are wider lasted as well. Like slippers almost certainly means he's just bought new boots that are too big...(or, indeed, properly fitted).

So, if you have never and don't intend to tour, then a well fitted, maybe wider lasted, maybe softer piste boot is what you really want. And significantly cheaper.
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@under a new name, thanks for the quick response and expert info. He says 'Touring' but I guess might mean 'Freeride.'
He's quite an experienced skier so I would normally trust his judgement but I would love him to be wrong about something almost as much as I would love 'slipper-like' ski boots, so it's win-win for me either way!

I guess I need to try a few out and ask for 'wider-lasted' ski boots to see how they compare.
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@EdYarker, I am no expert Happy
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@EdYarker, actually, no you need to establish a good fitter (many recs on here) and ask for new boots. The fitter should take care of the rest...

f'r instance, I have school girl like ankles. So I need a narrow lasted boot to keep them snug. But I have quite wide feet otherwise.

So a narrow lasted boot blown out at the required points to make them confortable.

You can almost always make an over-small boot bigger, you can rarely make an over-large boot smaller...
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I agree with the man above. I bought a pair of Salomon Quest Pro as I wanted to try a tech binding. They have a flex of 110 against my four clip piste Salomon with 100.

I really struggled to get on with them, they have less forward lean, feel softer and didn't keep my weight where I wanted it. A chat with a fellow snowHead caused me to persevere and adjust my technique to the boots, to the extent I now prefer their advantages, but, despite being a larger boot, they give me a pain in the forefoot after 4 to 5 hours. My piste boots are more comfy.

Advantages are the much lighter weight, walk mode and the Vibram sole. I do use them with a tech binding, but prefer them in the Marker Barons - which reminds me, Vibram soles are incompatible with alpine bindings, so you need to swap those as well.
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@Val Desire, you can have Vibram soles retrofitted to your alpines if you the right chap.

I have Vibram on my race boots wink
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@under a new name, I'm told that would interfere with the release function. Is that not so? You can still have normal release with Vibram sole?
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@abc, doesn't interfere with mine...

Mind you, I don't live in a litigious society...
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@under a new name, litigious or not, did it release when you expect it to?
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@abc, yeah, always. Doesn't have to very often tho' (I am light on my feet).
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I tried on a bunch of touring boots the other day. Some like the Fischer transalp felt very comfy, but way too soft (and my current alpine boots are 'only' 100 flex). As mentioned, you need to check if your bindings are compatible with touring boots, read http://culture.evo.com/2016/09/2017-ski-trends-sole-searching/
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I tried the Quest Pro in 110 too, but found them too soft for my prefered style (now selling them almost as new for £150 size 26.5). So I then bought the Quest Max in 130 flex, still softer than my piste boots but great for couple of an hour tours, off piste, on piste etc, love them unless I'm on SL or GS skis.
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@under a new name, I'm told that would interfere with the release function. Is that not so? You can still have normal release with Vibram sole?


I installed a cut down spare sole plate onto my vibram souled touring boots so that they would release on a non sliding alpine AFD (I know there is a large gap in the pic, I don't ski like that).





Still going strong years later Cool
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@Scarpa, you've just opened another can of worms...

I seem to vaguely recall (don't remember where from) some AT boots are designed with interchangeable soles, one to fit alpine binding and allow for release, the other to fit tech bindings and more suitable for touring?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ski_boot#Alpine_Touring_.2F_Randonn.C3.A9e
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some AT boots are designed with interchangeable soles, one to fit alpine binding and allow for release, the other to fit tech bindings and more suitable for touring?


Black Diamond Factor MX boots come with both sets of soles - great for wearing out and replacing - alpine soles pristine ;o)

The MX's are sooooo comfortable to wear but when taking them off they pinch the bridge massively - ouch.

AT boots for AT bindings. Alpine boots for alpine bindings unless you have a Scarpa-driven penchant for Borg-soles snowHead
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@Grinning, my boots have had everyting replaced other than the shells and are ground down race soles to take vibram.

Pretty cool I must say.

Shells good after 360 days, vibram and liners (second set) maybe a liitle tired.
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AT boots for AT bindings. Alpine boots for alpine bindings unless you have a Scarpa-driven penchant for Borg-soles snowHead


Wrong.

There are now a number of alpine bindings that are designed and approved to accept either full AT soles, WTR soles or GripWalk soles in addition to alpine soles.

abc, pretty much every boot maker now offers models with interchangeable toe and heel lugs to allow switching between alpine and the various types of touring binding.
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abc, pretty much every boot maker now offers models with interchangeable toe and heel lugs to allow switching between alpine and the various types of touring binding.

@spyderjon, do those toe/heel lugs typically fit all existing regular alpine bindings? Or just the newer frame bindings?
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Wrong.

There are now a number of alpine bindings that are designed and approved to accept either full AT soles, WTR soles or GripWalk soles in addition to alpine soles.


"a number" but by no means all - most brands and models of alpine bindings cannot reliably accept AT boots and I am sure you are not suggesting otherwise. People cannot step into "any" alpine bindings with AT boots and expect a reliable and safe experience or vice versa (i'd love to see the Alpine boots stepping into an AT binding but you see what I mean?). They must step into a "very selected few" alpine bindings - hence a safer adage of AT in AT (except for a selected few alpine bindings) and Alpine in Alpine (period). It doesn't roll off the tongue so let's leave it there.
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I installed a cut down spare sole plate onto my vibram souled touring boots


Neat! Leading/front edge slots under vibram toe?
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@spyderjon, do those toe/heel lugs typically fit all existing regular alpine bindings? Or just the newer frame bindings?

Yes, alpine lugs will fit alpine bindings.
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Thanks very much, @spyderjon
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@Grinning, I did do some precision cutting to get a tight mating. They have proved solid. My new freeride style boots have interchangable soles, but the Dynafit Ones were my first foray into touring boots and have been used on a couple of Tracker frame bindings on my fatter skis.

I do fancy getting some nice light tech bindings though in the future, but the frames have given me half a decade of all round skiing with no problems.
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@EdYarker, http://www.sailandski.co.uk/acatalog/Salomon-Quest-Pro-120-Ski-Boots-2017-32729.html#SID=8746

if a solomon boot fits your foot , these are a great bargain , I've had them all season and they are a great all-round boot that work for every where , good walk mode , very comfortable , stable on the down , theres also a 100 flex if you want something softer !!!
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Grinning wrote:
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Wrong.

There are now a number of alpine bindings that are designed and approved to accept either full AT soles, WTR soles or GripWalk soles in addition to alpine soles.


"a number" but by no means all - most brands and models of alpine bindings cannot reliably accept AT boots and I am sure you are not suggesting otherwise. People cannot step into "any" alpine bindings with AT boots and expect a reliable and safe experience or vice versa (i'd love to see the Alpine boots stepping into an AT binding but you see what I mean?). They must step into a "very selected few" alpine bindings - hence a safer adage of AT in AT (except for a selected few alpine bindings) and Alpine in Alpine (period). It doesn't roll off the tongue so let's leave it there.


Grinning, I never said "any", I clearly said a "number" of alpine bindings accept other sole types rolling eyes

The context of this thread, as with other recent posts/questions from abc on another thread, was that the OP (& abc) are considering changing to an AT style of boot and the question arose as to what bindings they are compatible with.

These new 'multi norm' alpine bindings have only come to the market in the last few seasons but will become much more common (especially with the new GripWalk sole which is out next season) as the benefits of having a non slip sole possibly with a walk mode start to become obvious to the masses.

What this will mean though is that for a few years there's going to loads of question along the lines of "will my 'x' boot work with 'y' binding?" And the old adage of AT soles only in AT bindings will no longer apply so the answer to that question is that the binding must first be compatible with the specific sole type and secondly, it must be correct adjusted to the users boot.
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Thanks @Dabber, they do look good. I need to find a shop to try one on before heading back to this site to buy 1/2 price. Feel a bit guilty but needs must!
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@EdYarker, where u based ?? Sail and ski are in Chester and will actually have them in store as well , but
Most of the big stores should stock them , just depends on your size
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