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The Arlberg Snow Report 2017/2018 (Mud Season May/June))

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Farmers are saying more snow on the way next week !
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ski area is probably better laid out now. the reason it seems for the tanzboden up grade was to close the happy valley. probably similar reasons behind the zammermoos relocation also.
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Hi All, As well as Happy Valley being closed the ski routes above are also shut. It seems if Happy Valley is closed then this could impact a large portion of the area that has some of the best skiing...Can these routes still be skied as off piste? I was in St Anton in early Jan during the storm and it was completely out of the question to ski in there at that time anyway but I did notice that some of the signs around Happy Valley threatened ski pass removal if caught in there which suggest to me that you could be caught coming out from Bachseite for example at the bottom and have your ski pass removed...this seems much harsher than normal, or perhaps I have not noticed before. I am back out late Feb and was hoping to ski some of the parts I could not see in Jan so would be good to know if anyone has a view on this. Clearly if the area is shut for avalanche risk and the general risk is high as it was in early Jan then it makes sense to not go there - my question is about the longer term closure that seems to be taking place as its still shut yet everything else has been made safe and opened. Thanks!
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@NJClark, Do not buy a ski pass then they cannot remove it !

Hike up to Galzig from St Christoph. They cannot stop people from skiing if they hiked up.

Lots of freeskiers are doing Bachseite & other descents.

Groups of Ski Schools Guides etc cannot take the risk otherwise they will be fired.
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Leisure Skiing is no good for burning Calories most folks would rarely burn 450cals & would easily eat more than they burn.

Ski Touring or better still Langlauf

https://www.gesundheit-blog.at/wintersport-vergleich-kalorien.html
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stanton wrote:
Leisure Skiing is no good for burning Calories most folks would rarely burn 450cals & would easily eat more than they burn.

Ski Touring or better still Langlauf

https://www.gesundheit-blog.at/wintersport-vergleich-kalorien.html


It’s still better than doing nothing of course but yes you’re right, people do burn way less than they probably think they do skiing around on piste.
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Heading back from lech now. Warth was great but saloberjet chair had massive queues around 11. Best snow of the day was in and around the gullies under hasensprung lift back in Lech. Anyone any other powder finding suggestions?
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Piste-off wrote:
Heading back from lech now. Warth was great but saloberjet chair had massive queues around 11. Best snow of the day was in and around the gullies under hasensprung lift back in Lech. Anyone any other powder finding suggestions?


Both Valluga faces still have incredible untracked powder!! If you can get up there!
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Also under rufikopf there is still some to be had
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stanton wrote:
Leisure Skiing is no good for burning Calories most folks would rarely burn 450cals & would easily eat more than they burn.

Ski Touring or better still Langlauf

https://www.gesundheit-blog.at/wintersport-vergleich-kalorien.html


450 an hour is quite a lot, though, especially when you ski for 5-6 hours. In comparison lifting weights for an hour is around 200-250cal. I know what I'd rather be doing Cool
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@Piste-off, ....the gullies under Hasensprung.....really?? Sounds like a real hero! Puzzled rolling eyes
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Thanks @NEpow23! I think Valluga would be beyond us but we'll check out rüfikopf. Driving to Lech was definitely worthwhile. Hassle free driving and parking.
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NEpow23 wrote:
Also under rufikopf there is still some to be had

Take it from me, the piste towards the Schafalp lift is better than that!
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Sorry @Langerzug didn't realise snowheads was only for experts.
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Plenty of decent off piste still available in Warth / Schröcken.
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Can a good intermediate cope with Langer Zug and is it pisted daily?
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Can a good intermediate cope with Langer Zug and is it posted daily?
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stanton wrote:
Leisure Skiing is no good for burning Calories most folks would rarely burn 450cals & would easily eat more than they burn.

Ski Touring or better still Langlauf

https://www.gesundheit-blog.at/wintersport-vergleich-kalorien.html


So going round in circles at the same (lower) elevation burns more calories than skinning up a mountain- how do they work that out?

Plus I‘d think people generally ski tour for longer than they do Langlauf.

According to my polar watch I burnt around 4000 cal‘s while ski touring on Sunday. Total estimated cals for the day was 5500.
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@südtirolistdeutsch,
Lifting weights is for Monkeys

Zero Cardio.

Leisure skiers may burn 450 cal (just putting their boots on.LoL) or so but eat & drink double or treble what they nornally would..


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@DB,Langlauf its the distance (10km) & speed its completed in.

If Ski Touring was changed to Ski Tour Racing then yes this would burn way more...
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stanton wrote:
@südtirolistdeutsch,
Lifting weights is for Monkeys

Zero Cardio.

Leisure skiers may burn 450 cal (just putting their boots on.LoL) or so but eat & drink double or treble what they nornally would..

Weights>Cardio=nogainz

True but you're burning quite a lot. If I ski 6 hours I'll burn roughly 2700. If I add 2500 for TDEE (total daily energy expenditure) I better be eating double or treble...
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stanton wrote:
@südtirolistdeutsch,
Lifting weights is for Monkeys

Zero Cardio.

Leisure skiers may burn 450 cal (just putting their boots on.LoL) or so but eat & drink double or treble what they nornally would..

Weights>Cardio=nogainz

True but you're burning quite a lot. If I ski 6 hours I'll burn roughly 2700. If I add 2500 for TDEE (total daily energy expenditure) I better be eating double or treble...
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...the gullies under Hasensprung.....really?? Sounds like a real hero! Puzzled rolling eyes


Sorry, I don't get what you're trying to say here? Can you elaborate please.
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@TheGeneralist, suggesting some powder adventures around Hasensprung-'gullies' 'back in Lech' is just hilarious.
Powder-inflation!
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stanton wrote:
@DB,Langlauf its the distance (10km) & speed its completed in.

If Ski Touring was changed to Ski Tour Racing then yes this would burn way more...


10km, that won't take them long to do.

Elite women do it in under 30 mins, normal hobby atheletes probably need 2 to 3 times that.
http://sport.orf.at/stories/2043335/2043362/

Many x-country skiers hardly push themselves, probably don't burn much more than recreational skiers.

Ski tourers will generally do many hours and you can't coast on the flats, there's no getting around the altitude increase.

On Sunday a group of us ski-toured for 12km, it was a mixed group of seven with one split border so we were waiting around a bit and I wasn't pushing myself but still burnt an average of 585 cals per hour for 6hrs 50mins.
We went over two saddles and did one peak.

Late last March I did a 6:30 Ski tour (Rumplerrunde at Dachstein) burning just under 5000 cals (770/hour).

To say Langläufers/x-country skiers burn more cals then Ski tourers in general is incorrect in my view.


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Thread seems to have derailed. This is the Arlberg thread. Perhaps discussion of the relative exercise values of various sports could be taken to The Piste?
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skilegs wrote:
Can a good intermediate cope with Langer Zug and is it posted daily?


It is groomed pretty much every day. There are signs in the Ruffikopfbahn talstation and on the piste directions boards stating the grooming status.

Can a good intermediate skier do it? Sure, but the initial steepness can be intimidating, so not for the faint-hearted. A fall at the top will almost certainly guarantee a long slide.

It is best to do it first on a day with good light. The light can get quite flat in the top section, making it hard to to pick ridges and death cookies left from the grooming.
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ulmerhutte wrote:
Thread seems to have derailed. This is the Arlberg thread. Perhaps discussion of the relative exercise values of various sports could be taken to The Piste?


Sorry, I was merely pointing out that you can ski Steissbachtal by hiking/skinning up without fear of having your ski pass taken away Happy It also healthier for you .
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@skilegs, @ulmerhutte,
Langer Zug is also great early in the afternoon
But nowadays you must check the queue at Rüfikopf at that time, because of returning St.Antonians... Evil or Very Mad
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Snowing lightly now on Rendl.

2:30pm Update - still snowing very lightly at Rendl. Broken clouds / sunshine; quite pretty really. Very enjoyable skiing - reasonable snow, in the context of it being quite a few days since the last decent fall, and relatively few people.


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Snowing steadily in Lech all morning - little to no crowds today - great!!
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stanton wrote:
Sorry, I was merely pointing out that you can ski Steissbachtal by hiking/skinning up without fear of having your ski pass taken away Happy It also healthier for you .


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Saisonende: Lech, Oberlech, Zürs, St. Anton, St. Christoph, Stuben am 22.04.2018 (ab 14.04.2018 eingeschränkter Fahrbetrieb!); Warth-Schröcken und Klösterle/Sonnenkopf am 15.04.2018

https://www.skiarlberg.at/de/regionen/skigebiet/stanton-stchristoph-stuben/tickets/saisonzeiten

According to the above link Warth-Schröcken and Klösterle/Sonnenkopf close on 15.04.2018 with Lech, Oberlech, Zürs, St. Anton, St. Christoph, Stuben closing a week later 22.04.2018. Looks like it will be a great year for either skiing the last week lift served offpiste or touring from the following week onwards.
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@DB, Always is great last week April/May .... Last Two Seasons we had the best Powder of the Season before the lifts opened in November & in May after they closed in April !!! Very Happy Very Happy
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Was on Rendl also today in morning. 4 hours of very light snow, might freshen the piste a little but not enough to make any difference off it. Near white-out above st Anton in the afternoon so retired to mooserwirt Very Happy
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Scattered low cloud/fog, with high overcast, this morning. A few snow flakes drifting down. Temps about same-same - around -5C in the village and -10C higher up.

Latest speculation I heard on Steissbachtal: ABB wants to realign it. That however makes little sense to me. Going higher up the the Schindler side does nothing to mitigate the avi risk. Going higher on the Bachseite would involve massive earthworks. Doubt that would get approval.
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@ulmerhutte, Steissbachtal

The reason is know & it is not that rolling eyes
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@stanton, you posted something to the effect it would become known in 2 Feb. That post seems to have been deleted. Hmmm!!!

If you have been sworn to secrecy, AND had any integrity, you would not be confirming or denying any speculation here. The conclusions are obvious.
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stanton wrote:
@ulmerhutte, Steissbachtal

The reason is know & it is not that rolling eyes


Stuck record, getting a bit boring now, let's not mention it again as clearly you are such a massive god of the Arlberg that only someone as important as you can know the real truth.
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ulmerhutte wrote:
@stanton, you posted something to the effect it would become known in 2 Feb. That post seems to have been deleted. Hmmm!!!

If you have been sworn to secrecy, AND had any integrity, you would not be confirming or denying any speculation here. The conclusions are obvious.


I do not recall that post..& I cannot recall deleting any posts recently.

I think I may of mentioned if Steissbachtal was not open or resolved by the kids holidays then it would probably remain closed for the season.

A lot of people were giving me a hard time earlier in the season believing it was because of Avalanche danger (which it was on certain days) but I think its evident now that my info was correct before Xmas !!

I have NOT be sworn to secrecy but I do not want a very good source(s) to be compromised so whoever finds out for themselves can publish the info here , not me.

The info is out there if you know where to look & ask Very Happy Very Happy
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