 Poster: A snowHead
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I am changing my touring set up, and instead of Radical ST will be using Dynafit Beasts 14. I know, I am gaining about 200 grams per foot as a result, but I am also getting rid of this awful feel of skiing in high-heels, so trade-off seems good. Will I be able to use the same ski crampons with new bindings?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Dynafit crampons fit all models (and Marker Kingpin)
The beast will ski much flatter, but the touring position is a bit higher.....
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@never summer, Depending the amount of rocker on the sole of your ski boots, you will probably find you get less penetration of the crampon due to the higher toe on the Beast 14. You certainly will if using the heel risers.
I found I needed to add a strip of plastic on top of the crampon to restore the penetration.
Last edited by Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? on Mon 16-01-17 13:12; edited 1 time in total
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Excellent, thank you guys! Will keep it in mind re possible issues with crampons. I am on Dynafit Mercury and they are my first AT boots so have no reference point with respect of amount of rocker. "Ski flatter" - I certainly like the sound of it. The way Radicals ski whenever I need to ski the piste is scary. Feels like I would tumble every time I try to flex my ankles.
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| PowderAdict wrote: |
| ......you will probably find you get less penetration of the crampon due to the higher toe on the Beast 14. You certainly will if using the heel risers...... |
Nope.
Toe pin height on a Beast 14 is 3.5mm less than on a Rad (1) ST.
The first climbing riser on the Beast heel is 42.5mm high & the second riser is 75mm versus 57mm & 80mm respectively on the Rad 1.
So basically you'll get more crampon engagement with the Beast 14 than a Rad 1 when used with either of their risers. You'd would get more engagement with the Rad 1 when in flat mode but as the Beast doesn't have an official flat mode then it can't really be compared.
However, don't forget the flat mode 'cheat' on the Beast heel by rubber banding the brakes up & rotating the heels inwards 90 degrees.
The delta angle on the Beast 14 is 7mm versus 16mm'ish on the Rad 1 so you'll feel a huge improvement on the down. And if you want even less delta then the B14/Rad 2 toe is easy to shim up (I run a 4mm shim under mine).
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@recz, it's a standard DIY mod to add a spacer to Dynafit crampons - they even have two predrilled fixing holes for attaching them.
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Useful to know it's possible to cheat and get the flat mode. Will it not damage the bindings though?
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@recz, I didn't understand how soft foam would work well on crampons, unless is it much firmer that it looks. I made my own plastic strips from kitchen chopping board. This is the ideal material as it is designed to withstand being repeatedly cut with a sharp knife, so can take plenty of abuse. It is also relatively light and easy to work with. I had to drill new holes as the pre-drilled ones are too far back to meet with the front section of the sole on my boots.
In use they work well with the Beast 16 in the first riser position, but could be made even thicker to cause greater penetration.
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| never summer wrote: |
| Useful to know it's possible to cheat and get the flat mode. Will it not damage the bindings though? |
No but you must turn the bindings inwards face to face each as unless you're on really wide skis the rear of the heel will overhang the side of the side & they could snag on each other when striding.
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@PowderAdict, thanks for the info. Had the same concerns about using foam.
Did you do anything to prevent the underside of the screws from damaging the ski, or does this not happen in practice?
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@recz, The head height on the bolts is reduced by being located in the dip of the channel. In any case the crampon is never pressed flat against the ski by the boot, as the heel will be on the brake or risers before that happens.
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You know it makes sense.
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@PowderAdict cheers.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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tech issue posting - sorry
Last edited by Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name: on Wed 18-01-17 11:14; edited 1 time in total
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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(and I suppose you could as a matter of course always use cheatmode whenever you think skicrampons may be needed, but I tend to lack this foresight 
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