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Previously used Edge and Wax for ski servicing and was always happy with results. Given that they are not an option anymore, is there anywhere other than Snow and Rock in Port Solent to recommend? Or is Snow and Rock the best choice? Based on A3 in Hampshire. Thank you
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Have used snowtrax with no issue (before doing the course with Jon)
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@NickyJ, thanks: what/ where is snowtrax?
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North of bournemouth. It is a dry ski slope with a shop and they do servicing as well.
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@HoneyBunny, Rinskis sound good - have you used them?
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I know someone who told me last year she had her skis serviced at http://www.thesnowboardshop.co.uk in Fleet though they don't seem to advertise the service. They might be worth contacting.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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I had my skis serviced just last week by these guys, based in Battersea and Norwich, very happy with service plus home collection and delivery. Prices on website.
http://batterseaski.co.uk/
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@JimG2009, wow, that's more or less on my doorstep. Might give him a whirl. Much as I love everyone at Ski Bartlett, it's a bit of a nuisance going to and from Hillingdon.
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@Snowsartre, re: Rinskis: I have, a few years back: great service then...
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You know it makes sense.
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I had no idea there were so many other options, thanks all! Like the idea of one-man band style servicing powertoedge - assuming that hand-tooled is better than machined?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Snowsartre, I asked the same question a few months back and @CEM recommended Snow Lab nr. Eastbourne. But i recently stumbled across http://www.powertoedge.co.uk too, who I believe was helping Jon out at the Hemel Ski Test.
I haven't used either as yet, but need my Brahama's quiverd, so I'll probably try out http://www.powertoedge.co.uk soon enough.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Power To Edge is run by fellow snowHead Glen Charman. Glen's a former student of mine & has been ski fettling for years & has recently decided to set-up commercially. In fact, over the years I think he's bought every servicing tool I have on my website including his Whitedot skis. He's also got an extensive range of binding mounting jigs, has his own hotbox & can install QK inserts. He's not far from Edge & Wax's now defunct site so if you're in that locale & want a quality hand tune then he's ya man. Great bloke too.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@spyderjon, thanks for the reassurance Jon. Will be in touch next week to discuss my r.108. 99% certain that i'll quiver then and use my griffons... and then get Glen to quiver my Brahmas. I'll just need a wider set of brakes.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@spyderjon, thanks 😀
Hi all
I'm now setup to tune skis and snowboard I'd like to think to the same high standard as spyderjon
As spyderjon said I have over 30 jigs for binding mounting. I do tech and alpine bindings with or without QK. I'm based in Rustington so only down the road from the old Edge & Wax
If you interested have a look at my web site www.powertoedge.co.uk or give me a call for a chat or pm me
Sorry admin I hope that's ok
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@Glen Charman, wow, good for you! 
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@Hurtle, thank you
@Snowsartre, I've sent you a PM
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@Glen Charman, I'll be in touch in a week or two!
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@RichClark, it will be great to hear from you
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| Snowsartre wrote: |
| I had no idea there were so many other options, thanks all! Like the idea of one-man band style servicing powertoedge - assuming that hand-tooled is better than machined? |
Absolutely not. Hand tuning and modern machines both have their place. The precision factor of modern machines is difficult to replicate by hand. Most folk I've come across who proclaim to hand tune their gear for hours on end do a mediocre/average job at best.
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[quote="crosshatch"]
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| .........The precision factor of modern machines is difficult to replicate by hand......... |
Not true at all.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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[quote="crosshatch"]
| Snowsartre wrote: |
| .........The precision factor of modern machines is difficult to replicate by hand......... |
Not true at all.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Snowsartre wrote: |
| @HoneyBunny, Rinskis sound good - have you used them? |
Not for a long time, they're a bit of a trek for me, but they were good last time I did.
I'm tempted to go back there as I've had a couple of crap tunes from Snow and Rock in Port Solent.
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[quote="spyderjon"]
| crosshatch wrote: |
| Snowsartre wrote: |
| .........The precision factor of modern machines is difficult to replicate by hand......... |
Not true at all. |
+1
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You know it makes sense.
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| spyderjon wrote: |
| crosshatch wrote: |
| ........The precision factor of modern machines is difficult to replicate by hand......... |
Not true at all. |
succinctly put
| crosshatch wrote: |
| Most folk I've come across |
They should've gone to sp......yderjon's
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Would you not agree, @spyderjon, the the replicability and speed of a machine is difficult to replicate by hand, especially when it's 02h00 and you've already done 800 pairs?
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Poster: A snowHead
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@under a new name, the statement questioned the ability to hand tune to equal/better than a machine.
Yes, machines are faster for volume but that wasn't the question.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Snowsartre, i've used Rinskis at Bosham (Chichester) always a good friendly service
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@spyderjon, I wasn't answering his question, rather asking my own.
In fairness, while I am sure You achieve a similar precision I am equally sure there are many hand servicing (!!??) shops that don't. 
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I think the short answer is that there aren't many hand servicing shops. You have to really trust a shop to have your kit put through a machine by them i.e. I haven't had a base grind (other than self inflicted on rocks) in 20 years following a experience which drastically reduced the life of my snowboard.
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[quote="spyderjon"]
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| Snowsartre wrote: |
| .........The precision factor of modern machines is difficult to replicate by hand......... |
Not true at all. |
Each to their own, although I expected you to say that, given the nature of your business.
Unfortunately there is a lot of bad press plastered all over the Internet relating to machine tuning, some of which is true, lots of which is not. People who know very little about the subject seem to jump on the bandwagon as it's the 'done thing' to slate this type of service. Many just assume that machines are all the same and are therefore only capable of trashing expensive planks! This may of course be true in some instances but fantastic results are achievable on well-maintained and calibrated kit, without removing any more material than a toothed file by hand; often less, in fact.
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@crosshatch, I wonder how many of the problems with machine tuning arise from poor customer service rather than poor machines? I expect customer service to include understanding customer expectation and requirements, and agreement on actions and results. For me, "tuning" or "servicing" can be vague terms, so the question I ask when I hand in my single pair of precious skis, is will they be tuned to their particular spec, with no work done that we have agreed isn't essential? I suspect it is not so much that a machine is used, as how it is used.
@under a new name,
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If my skis had been in that batch, then unless the setup was changed as required for the skis being processed, (or they were all done to my spec  ) , I would not be a happy bunny. Horses for courses?
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| People who know very little about the subject |
that's me but I'm trying to not stay that way
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@motyl, if you'd specified, they'd be done to spec.
I'm more referring to bulk processing of rentals.
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Do different specs for ski tuning really matter for regular all-around skiing? When I get a new pair I ski on whatever factory setting were, maybe de-tune tips and tails if needed, and when time eventually comes for service I just give them to a shop without any specific indications, apart from "edge and wax", as I don't even know what particular settings are or should be for all my skis. I suspect they might be different as skis are different, but I can't really tell. I am not sure if a shop will preserve the original setting or apply some other, universal, setting that should work for most. I am not a pro so this approach seems to work well, if a tune is good enough it's good enough whether my skis were serviced together with 200 pairs of rental skis or separately, and whether it was done by machine, by hand or by foot. Maybe I don't know what I am missing:) I never had bad tune either, at least at no point did I think "my skis are behaving strangely, must be bad tune". "My edges are totally blunt" is another matter but it's usually due to lack of servicing and not a bad tune. I suspect 99% of modern shops do a satisfactory job for 99% skiers.
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For most people, @never summer? I'd be amazed if they did.
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@under a new name, why? Do you reckon that most skiers have special requirements regarding the tune? What I observed is that most just drop skis at the shop - with a choice usually based on convenience of location or discounts given - and collect when needed without giving any information to the shop as to which settings they want. As I said probably they don't get the best possible tune but it probably doesn't matter all that much as long as the tune is not bad and average modern ski shops are usually equipped to provide this level of service.
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