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The American word for an inexperienced skier...
Is it 'gape-r' as in 'his jaw gaped open'
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'Gap-er' as in 'mind the gap'.
I want to ask on TGR, but I'm scared that they will call me a gaper.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I always assumed 'gape-r', as the other pronunciation would surely be spelled 'gapper' - but as it originated in America, maybe not?! I'm wondering now too 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Gape-rrr
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Newbie. Far nicer.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| Newbie. Far nicer. |
still derogative. Beginner. How about that?
As for TGR, I'm sure they have some much better insults for anyone who posts about gape-rs. Talking of which "Snowheads - A middle England Gaperfest" - TGR (http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=3931)
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| davidof wrote: |
| rob@rar wrote: |
| Newbie. Far nicer. |
still derogative. Beginner. How about that? |
Perhaps, but maybe not if said with a smile.
Don't want to get in semantics, but isn't a beginner someone who has never skied before, someone who is on their first skiing holiday? While a newbie is someone with limited experience as they are new to skiing? Someone at the end of their second week of skiing is not a beginner, but they are still new to skiing.
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rob@rar, davidof, not necessarily either, its describing a clueless person who doesn't have to be new to the sport, as well we all know  I'd go with gape -r too
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Gaperness has nothing to do with being a neophyte. One can gape all one's life, equally a newbie who cracks on and is self aware need never gape hard.
The nearest UK translation is Billy or Punter.
The easiest Gaper identifier is gap between goggles and hat or helmet or wearing sunnies with helmet which inevitably creates said gap.
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@Dave of the Marmottes, please don't let's get back into the discussion as to why you shouldn't wear sunglasses with a helmet, more and more I see seasonaires and locals wearing sun glasses and helmet, the fashion police have lost this one me-thinks 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Dave of the Marmottes wrote: |
Gaperness has nothing to do with being a neophyte. ...
The easiest Gaper identifier is gap between goggles and hat or helmet or wearing sunnies with helmet which inevitably creates said gap. |
I realize you're correctly describing that and not necessarily using it.
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It's like creating arbitrary rules of grammar in order than you can feel superior to those who break them.
These words are used by sheepish people who probably enjoy hiding behind their keyboards more than anything else.
I think "punter" is different, which is actually an accurate description and not a derogatory word in common usage.
The standard euphemism in North America is "Guest" - "Punter" is not an American word I think.
I'm sure I'm a king gapper and gaper and geek. If that's what it takes to wear my stuff anyway I want, why should I care?
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>>We should wear that badge with pride
This - I want a gapper (sic) T shirt.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| I think "punter" is different, which is actually an accurate description and not a derogatory word in common usage. |
"Punter" is certainly derogatory, one usage being to describe men who visit prostitutes.
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I guess they use the word "gaper" because they can't say "nigger" anymore stateside and they need someone to hate on.
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Does anyone else cringe when they hear the word "punter"? I hate it, it's so horribly patronising and I've only ever heard it used by people who are not far off from being that sort of stereotype themselves
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| davidof wrote: |
I guess they use the word "gaper" because they can't say "nigger" anymore stateside and they need someone to hate on.
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You can if you are a rapper.
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| dogwatch wrote: |
I see Rob. Enquiring minds may wonder what do you call an actual client? |
A victim or a masochist 
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I always thought it was gapper (like rapper!), because of the gap between the goggles and woolly hat which looks idiotic, as mentioned above.
Nearly as bad as not pulling your ski trousers down over your boots.
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[quote="stevew"]@Dave of the Marmottes, please don't let's get back into the discussion as to why you shouldn't wear sunglasses with a helmet, more and more I see seasonaires and locals wearing sun glasses and helmet, the fashion police have lost this one me-thinks
Darn it obvious line casting snapped.
Anyway Gaper, punter whatever it's only used mainly in fun. There is no doubt some people do leave their brains at home when on holiday and to have a shorthand for recognising that is useful.
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Here ya go
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Just google 'gape'. That will tell you all you need to know. 
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| dogwatch wrote: |
| ... "Punter" is certainly derogatory, one usage being to describe men who visit prostitutes. |
Actually that's not correct. A quick google will find you a site called "punter net" which has no shame in the word.
In pinball, "punter" is anyone who plays the game and again is not derogatory.
Similarly gambling, where punters often "take a punt" and are blissfully unaware of any negative connotations of the words used.
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You know it makes sense.
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In Venice Punters are, I believe, known as Gondoliers.
And whoever invented that 'shirtinator' site should note that the name doesn't skim read well
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Tubaski, 
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Poster: A snowHead
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If you have to ask
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| HoneyBunny wrote: |
I always thought it was gapper (like rapper!), because of the gap between the goggles and woolly hat which looks idiotic, as mentioned above.
Nearly as bad as not pulling your ski trousers down over your boots. |
I think you are right.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Those in the know never say punter in case they're overheard.
Billy or Hillman is preferred.
I guess we all need someone to look down on.
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Does anyone else cringe when they hear the word "punter"? I hate it, it's so horribly patronising and I've only ever heard it used by people who are not far off from being that sort of stereotype themselves
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I've only used "punter" when I was working a season and for a few years after. It had a specific and non-judgmental meaning - it was slang for client or paying guest. A punter could be a lovely person and excellent skier but they were a punter by virtue of paying for a holiday and obviously there was nothing wrong with that. I went on a few chalet holidays afterwards and when that bloke in the chalet asked you on the first night if you were a good skier my stock response was "I did a season so I'm not bad for a punter".
The other common usage was in the phrase "punter-shunting" - this was judgmental, it implied intimate relations between staff and a guest and was generally seen as letting the side down!
Gaper is clearly derogatory but I agree doesn't mean beginner. It includes people who really should know better - can't handle themselves in lift queues without waving skis and poles in people's faces, ski in jeans in bad weather (I'd say at all but I'm harsh like that), jester hats after the age of 12, etc.
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