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Actually that's not what us British say but at least you made a reasonable attempt at the English language. Carry on.
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Whitegold wrote:
Mammoth, California, got 6ft of snow in 2 days last week... The same as some low Austrian resorts get in an entire year...


Just returned from California. Couldn't partake in any of the goodness. High winds closed lifts Tuesday. Avalanche controls closed after the big snow on Wednesday. With another big storm coming in, we were unsure if we could make it out of the mountains on time.

So, after 2 days of hanging out in Reno, made a dash during the weather break, while others hit the slopes. Things opened around noon on Thursday, and Friday it was packed, Saturday the next storm of the Pinneapple express rolled in. Sunday we flew home. It was Thursday we made our mad dash over Donner's pass....

Bought the Mountain Collective pass, so I still have my 2 days at Squaw, Mammoth, and Whistler, Sun Valley, Jackson Hole.... probably another trip back to the states is in order.

That said... we had a fabulous 12 days at the Cliff Lodge in Snowbird.... will post a trip report.. no regrets. Can recommend a hot tub on your balcony overlooking the pistes Laughing


@HeidiAmsterdam Probably a prudent move to get out of Dodge..., er, Reno when you had the chance. Donner Pass closed down on Sunday due to 300 yard wide mudslide. Both sides of I80 up to a couple meters deep.

Based on how this winter has been going, it seems like a good idea to come back and sample some of those other resorts on the MCP!

I'm sampling Sun Valley this weekend, followed by Telluride at end of January and Aspen/Snowmass beginning of February. And need to figure out when to work in a trip to Whistler as well!

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esaw1 wrote:
Actually that's not what us British say but at least you made a reasonable attempt at the English language. Carry on.


I stand corrected!
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Heavy snow and a bit of wind all day at Baqueira. More forecast overnight with a brief respite before very cold weather and more snow over the weekend.

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HeidiAmsterdam wrote:
Whitegold wrote:
Mammoth, California, got 6ft of snow in 2 days last week... The same as some low Austrian resorts get in an entire year...


Just returned from California. Couldn't partake in any of the goodness. High winds closed lifts Tuesday. Avalanche controls closed after the big snow on Wednesday. With another big storm coming in, we were unsure if we could make it out of the mountains on time.

So, after 2 days of hanging out in Reno, made a dash during the weather break, while others hit the slopes. Things opened around noon on Thursday, and Friday it was packed, Saturday the next storm of the Pinneapple express rolled in. Sunday we flew home. It was Thursday we made our mad dash over Donner's pass....

Bought the Mountain Collective pass, so I still have my 2 days at Squaw, Mammoth, and Whistler, Sun Valley, Jackson Hole.... probably another trip back to the states is in order.

That said... we had a fabulous 12 days at the Cliff Lodge in Snowbird.... will post a trip report.. no regrets. Can recommend a hot tub on your balcony overlooking the pistes Laughing


@HeidiAmsterdam Probably a prudent move to get out of Dodge..., er, Reno when you had the chance. Donner Pass closed down on Sunday due to 300 yard wide mudslide. Both sides of I80 up to a couple meters deep.

Based on how this winter has been going, it seems like a good idea to come back and sample some of those other resorts on the MCP!

I'm sampling Sun Valley this weekend, followed by Telluride at end of January and Aspen/Snowmass beginning of February. And need to figure out when to work in a trip to Whistler as well!

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I need to tag along Toadman... already looking at flights, as I have conference in SFO end of Jan... but can probably only swing Mammoth or Squaw -
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Toadman wrote:
Whitegold wrote:
Mammoth, California, got 6ft of snow in 2 days last week... The same as some low Austrian resorts get in an entire year...



Yes, but what you forgot to mention is the other 6 feet of snow they are getting right now...

Currently in Oakland, CA where as the Brits like to say, "it's pissing down rain right now." wink

He's a week behind wink
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[quote="Toadman"]
HeidiAmsterdam wrote:
Whitegold wrote:
Mammoth, California, got 6ft of snow in 2 days last week... The same as some low Austrian resorts get in an entire year...


Just returned from California. Couldn't partake in any of the goodness. High winds closed lifts Tuesday. Avalanche controls closed after the big snow on Wednesday. With another big storm coming in, we were unsure if we could make it out of the mountains on time.

So, after 2 days of hanging out in Reno, made a dash during the weather break, while others hit the slopes. Things opened around noon on Thursday, and Friday it was packed, Saturday the next storm of the Pinneapple express rolled in. Sunday we flew home. It was Thursday we made our mad dash over Donner's pass....

Bought the Mountain Collective pass, so I still have my 2 days at Squaw, Mammoth, and Whistler, Sun Valley, Jackson Hole.... probably another trip back to the states is in order.

That said... we had a fabulous 12 days at the Cliff Lodge in Snowbird.... will post a trip report.. no regrets. Can recommend a hot tub on your balcony overlooking the pistes Laughing


@HeidiAmsterdam Probably a prudent move to get out of Dodge..., er, Reno when you had the chance. Donner Pass closed down on Sunday due to 300 yard wide mudslide. Both sides of I80 up to a couple meters deep.

Based on how this winter has been going, it seems like a good idea to come back and sample some of those other resorts on the MCP!

I'm sampling Sun Valley this weekend, followed by Telluride at end of January and Aspen/Snowmass beginning of February. And need to figure out when to work in a trip to Whistler as well!

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Just at Aspen Airport now, conditions are superb, sad to leave Sad
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Apart from a brief period on Thursday 18z GFS keeps temperatures below average for the Alps and Pyrenees for the next two weeks. January overall looking notably cold, but more settled in the second half of the month at present.
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The second half of January is looking cold and dry for the Alps and Pyrenees.

The Arlberg



Chamonix



Cairngorm



Sestriere



Eastern Pyrenees

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Chamonix's looking good for Friday 13th. Now I just hope the road is clear to get up the valley Smile
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For the French N.A the lastest storm brought 5-10cm, 15cm locally. In the Pyrenees 40cm in the central ranges. 5cm in the Southern Alps.

As Mr. Archer would say "that won't get the pigs in".

Still 5cm in our small town was enough to render the roads completely treacherous - the polished snow of last night has now frozen into ice and with no gritting is lethal.
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Whitegold wrote:
Mammoth, California, got 6ft of snow in 2 days last week... The same as some low Austrian resorts get in an entire year...



Well if California can go from what, 6-8 years? of drought and crappy skiing to that I'm sure there's hope for the future of the Alps too Laughing
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Mammoth Village - 2400m above sea level
"Low" Austrian Villages - 600-1000m above sea level

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Mammoth Village - 37deg N
"Low" Austrian Villages - 47deg N

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What I love about the Low Austrian Villages is the people, culture, cuisine, hospitality and history. Having never skied in America I couldn't possibly comment on that.
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^ Many of the low Austrian villages have had >180cm snowfall this year (with plenty sat on the ground atm) anyway!
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good to see 'Mr MtBlanc is wearing some suitably substantial headwear today ...... (i believe this is normally indicative of the white stuff arriving)
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esaw1 wrote:
What I love about the Low Austrian Villages is the people, culture, cuisine, hospitality and history. Having never skied in America I couldn't possibly comment on that.



All those quaint Austrian village folk, like Josef Fritzl and Adolf Hitler Laughing
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esaw1 wrote:
What I love about the Low Austrian Villages is the people, culture, cuisine, hospitality and history. Having never skied in America I couldn't possibly comment on that.


Hmm. America, lovely well prepare slopes, often great powder and excellent service. The overall ambience of the holiday however never feels quite right though, would describe the experience as a bit soulless. And as for the cuisine .......
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Whitegold wrote:
esaw1 wrote:
What I love about the Low Austrian Villages is the people, culture, cuisine, hospitality and history. Having never skied in America I couldn't possibly comment on that.



All those quaint Austrian village folk, like Josef Fritzl and Adolf Hitler Laughing


TRUMP
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whats the ecm saying today?
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@Whitegold, https://www.facebook.com/sean.marsh.509/posts/10154058166472077
schladming....a "low" austrian resort.....pistes are awesome.....the off piste yesterday was above waist through the trees....I come here a lot have a season pass....always been great.....they do pretty good for a "low" resort



Relax, blud.

I like Austria. Just spent a few days in Lech.

But there is no getting away from it, outside parts of the Arlberg, most of Austria does not get massive snow.
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Whitegold wrote:
seany1 wrote:
@Whitegold, https://www.facebook.com/sean.marsh.509/posts/10154058166472077
schladming....a "low" austrian resort.....pistes are awesome.....the off piste yesterday was above waist through the trees....I come here a lot have a season pass....always been great.....they do pretty good for a "low" resort



Relax, blud.

I like Austria. Just spent a few days in Lech.

But there is no getting away from it, outside parts of the Arlberg, most of Austria does not get massive snow.


Kind of right (we all love the Arlberg), but not totally.

Yeah there are places in the middle that don't get that much snow - i.e. Kitzbühel I think only averages around 6m a season, and despite the altitude Kühtai often seems fairly dry - but go further east and things get snowier again. Obertauern for example averages around 8m season (ok it's no Mt Baker, but that's more than any French resort and not far off Squaw and other California resorts) and there are some real snow holes among the tiny unknown villages east of Salzburg too.
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Is this the first time the Weather Outlook thread has conformed to Godwin's Law?
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@Posidrive,
I can't disagree. Resorts like Vail are sometimes poor attempts to replicate European villages. However, others such as Telluride, Park City, and Jackson have their own unique mix of cowboy, Native American and skiing culture that while not Austrian, is kind of cool.
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No I don't think its going to be enough. Used my season pass 1 day, on the 11th November 2016 ! That'll learn me, as they say.

That's one day more than me so far; 1st season in a long time I've not been able to ski locally before Chrimbo. Still at 160 euros a pop for the season, I'll carry on taking the risk.
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@Posidrive, Totally agree with you and I'm an American (albeit one with an Austrian father). I've skied some of the best snow of my life in Colorado and Utah, and I love the small resorts of the East Coast where I live, but nothing compares to skiing in the Alps, particularly Austria, Switzerland and Italy. It's the sense of tradition, the real villages that weren't manufactured for ski tourism, the food and the mountains. Skiing out west in America might give you deeper snow and higher elevations, but the mountains are far less dramatic and most of the resorts feel too corporate. It's the Disney version of skiing.
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davidof wrote:
For the French N.A the lastest storm brought 5-10cm, 15cm locally. In the Pyrenees 40cm in the central ranges. 5cm in the Southern Alps.

As Mr. Archer would say "that won't get the pigs in".

Still 5cm in our small town was enough to render the roads completely treacherous - the polished snow of last night has now frozen into ice and with no gritting is lethal.


Baqueira 35cm, Peyragudes 35cm and Superbagneres 40cm. This was very much needed, and will improve conditions significantly, and though there is a slight lull with temperatures rising today and tomorrow the next week looks like very cold indeed with more snow.

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jonathancarty, i had to remind myself of Goodwin's Law. Well spotted. And i think you might be right. Amazing how it happens.
Meantime, certainly getting cold here in London.
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@Posidrive,
I can't disagree. Resorts like Vail are sometimes poor attempts to replicate European villages. However, others such as Telluride, Park City, and Jackson have their own unique mix of cowboy, Native American and skiing culture that while not Austrian, is kind of cool.
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ArlbergMeister wrote:
It's the sense of tradition, the real villages that weren't manufactured for ski tourism, the food and the mountains.
How many of those real villages could be sustained in their current form without ski tourism? Seems to me that all ski resorts are manufactured to some extent for the purposes of ski tourism, even if the initial seed was a genuine village which grew up around the local agriculture.
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@rob@rar, Yes, of course there are strong elements of tourism throughout the Alps. I'm merely pointing out that they feel more organic than a what you often find here in the States. I prefer but not knocking American skiing. To each his own.
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Lots of flooding going on here in Central California. Crazy amount of moisture that has come through so far. About 20" over the past 7 days. Most Tahoe resorts reporting in the 1 meter plus range form last nights storm. Another one coming for Thursday with another 20cm-40cm forecast with colder temps. Then a cooling trend over the weekend before the next round looks to come in the middle of next week.

Also - most Tahoe ski resorts just 11 days into month of January reporting snowfall totals over 3 meters! Shocked
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ArlbergMeister wrote:
It's the sense of tradition, the real villages that weren't manufactured for ski tourism, the food and the mountains.
How many of those real villages could be sustained in their current form without ski tourism? Seems to me that all ski resorts are manufactured to some extent for the purposes of ski tourism, even if the initial seed was a genuine village which grew up around the local agriculture.


Most of them have been expanded over the years to become major winter and summer holiday resorts but there is still a huge difference between most Austrian resorts and a lot of the older French villages. Compare to the major man made ones like Avoriaz, Les Arc, Les Menuire which are great ski areas but had a lot of high rises etc built in the 60's and 70's to accommodate mass tourism and some of them are real eyesores. They all have areas that are traditional but places like Flaine and Val Thoren are very ugly and the buildings look like the ones on the outskirts of London when you arrive at paddington. I understand why some would not find the US resorts charming as they are nearly all man made I believe whereas some of the resorts in France and Austria are old trading post dating back many hundreds of years.

Back to topic, all this snow has changed the whole season now. You always know it will arrive at some point but the longer it stays dry the more you wonder if it will happen.
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@mheadbee, I agree with you that there are significant differences, obviously there are. I was simply taking issue with the notion that some places are authentic, while others are fake and Disneyfied. All ski resorts are purpose built to a greater or lesser, around the needs of tourism. But enough of this off piste chat. Cold and expectant here in Les Arcs.
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Still not seeing the amounts forecast by Meteo France. They are claiming there should be 40cm of fresh snow at 2000m around Grenoble, I'm counting 15cm to date since Sunday.

Further north in the PdS Meteo France are saying 55cm of fresh snow but it seems more like 20cm.

Autrans ski area says that the snow fallen to date "doesn't significantly change the situation" (e.g. not good).

Some local forecasts are for another 30-50cm for the Northern Alps on Friday, 20cm on Sunday. Very optimistic I think.
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@davidof, Maybe Meteo France are doing their bit for the economy?
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I thought the heaviest snow was forecast for Friday night/Saturday am?
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andy from embsay wrote:
I thought the heaviest snow was forecast for Friday night/Saturday am?


The MeteoSwiss 44 hour radar projection (which is usually a good indicator) shows precipitation-bearing clouds sweeping in west (later west-north-west) over the northern French Alps and the Swiss Alps from late this afternoon and into tomorrow. Not a huge amount of activity projected for this morning though.
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@davidof, ok am I being thick ?

I use Meteo France site for avalanche bulletins and general weather forecasts etc but for the life of me can not see where they predict accumulation http://www.meteofrance.com/previsions-meteo-montagne/serre-chevalier/05100

As has been so often the case amounts predicted and actual can vary hugely and unfortunately it's always for the worst, in that we never get more than the forecast.

And no doubt that will be the case by this time Saturday rolling eyes
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