 Poster: A snowHead
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hi all,
I'm in the market for some new ski trousers, max budget £100.
From other threads it appears I can get some tog24 Goretex ones for £99 or I've seen some North Face ones for the same price.
TNF ones appear to be made with HyVent™, from the NF website it says "Hyvent™ Technology
The best waterproof/breathable technology without a premium price tag. A polyurethane coating for waterproofness, breathability and durability."
So it appears to have a coating, whereas I understand Goretex to be a membrane.
So which pair do people think will last the longest and keep me waterproof the longest?
My current pair are Columbia with Omnitech, after 3 seasons I get a wet bum on chairlifts and also snow stuck behind my knee when skiing powder melts at lunchtime and give me a cold, wet area behind the knee, as well as it not being as breathable as I'd like in the high back area.
cheers,
greg
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Have you tried reproofing your bottoms? Worked with my ski gear.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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gregh,
I may be wrong, but I "think" TNF also do ski gear in goretex, as well as hyvent. Hyvent is the material they use for their lower priced garmets, so it would suggest that goretex is considered the better material.
Saying that, I have a hy-vent jacket and it works great.
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I expect the fact that TNF don't have to pay licensing fees to gore-tex (or Dupont...) on hyvent items knocks a bit off the price.
Don't know about hyvent specifically but there is certainly more to life than goretex when it comes to waterproof breathable fabrics. I doubt the fact that it's a coating versus a membrane makes too much difference.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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my thinking is that a coating will wear off quicker than a membrane, especially in high wear areas, like back of legs, seat of pants etc.
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Lowe Alpines Triple Point Ceramic technology works too.
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| Scarpa wrote: |
| Lowe Alpines Triple Point Ceramic technology works too. |
I can vouch for that. I was wearing trousers and jacket when I went for my impromptu dip See the "I went swimming" thread in "apres") and the onoly bits that got wet was where water eneter up sleeves etc
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| Scarpa wrote: |
| Lowe Alpines Triple Point Ceramic technology works too. |
i read something which said that Triple Point was better than anything else at breathing when the outer surface is wet
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Arno, I have the L A Mountain hat - and boy is that waterproof. But my fave is the Buffalo stuff (pile and pertex). I wear a big face shirt under my gortex when the weather is really bad so waterproofing doesn't much come into it.
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HyVent is fine if the vents are cleverly designed; it doesn't breathe quite as well, IMO. It also appears more tear and shread-resistant than (I use Moonstone and Wild Things) Goretex to miscellaneous crampon attack, it is certainly easier to patch with adhesive patches.
Part of the deciding factor may just be fit: Hy-Vent is fairly generously cut. Whether that has anything to do with licensing fees and how many garments one can lay out on one bolt of cloth I really couldn't say.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Do Lowe Alpine do salopettes???
The hyvent trousers I tried on seemed very comfortable, and the vent zip seemed a good idea, tempted to get them, unless someone else knows of a better pair for under £100?
Cheers,
Greg
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I have a gor-tex jacket and I love it. It has never truly soaked through. Once or twice it may have gotten a bit damp inside, but it was flooding from the clouds.
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You know it makes sense.
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My new Hyvent jacket is great - I have (almost) no damp inside. I do notice that it is damp in the upper back area & I was dissapointed, until I realised the damp area corresponds to my backpack. I asume the backpack, with it's large area of low air circulation is restricting the vapor transfer. Many larger packs have a mesh and spacing system to prevent this.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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lampbus, Yup - The Dueter sack I have has an active pump thing going on inside the spacers (little bit of hype there methinks) but I did notice a dramatic reduction in the sweaty back syndrome with a full winter rack in there. If you wear a pack it's just something you have to live with 
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Poster: A snowHead
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Interesting article here comparing the breathability of various materials. Doesn't give waterproofness details; however, I know for a fact that the Marmot 'membrain' does not keep you dry when you're battling against a combination of horizontal rain and strong winds
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Try out paramo cant recomend them highly enough out preformed my northface XCR jacket by miles and almost half the price
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Been reported, I believe. The moderators are presumably nocturnal, but they'll presumably rise from their crypts in due course.
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The North Face 'Summit' series all have Hyvent ALPHA which is like a premium Hyvent and more comparible to Gore-Tex as I understand it
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I own NF gore tex, NF hyvent, NF hyvent 2.5L, and Spyder dermizax. The Spyder is the most effective of four but is thicker and therefore warmer and heavier.
Hyvent is the least effective and the 2.5L is good for wind protection, and somewhat good for keeping out the wet stuff. I have sworn off of any Hyvent clothing. My gore tex jacket is probably 10 years old, keeps me warm and DRY in all conditions.
I also have 2 Burtons and the 2 layer driride works well but it's a boarding jacket and i never wear it on the slopes.
My choice is obvious.
Gore tex only for me.
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My Hyvent stuff is ok but not as good as my gore-tex stuff I don't think. I'd push for gore-tex but not to the degree I lose out on other essentials that are required such as venting etc.
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@Scarpa, +1 for Sheffield's finest; Buffalo systems for any and all conditions, twinned with a Norrona hard shell if it's really wet / a powder day.
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Right on Scarpa ride on. Even my oldest piece has vents.
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Holy bump batman!!
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I didn't notice that! 10 year old thread, impressive bump indeed!
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