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Should Helmets be MANDATORY

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Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Tue 22-12-15 23:23; edited 2 times in total
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This would have been a fine candidate for a "Is skiing on piste now more dangerous than ever? Are drones to blame?" thread.

Seriously though, that was bloody close and it looked like a pretty hefty piece of kit, could have pretty bad if it had hit him.
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Yep. Was watching this live on Eurosport and was wondering what exactly it was that fell out of the skies there. Lucky, very lucky. He would have been badly hurt by that I think.
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Indeed, hope it highlights the problem - can you imagine Val D with all the drone and the kids getting picked off one by one!
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I reckon random drone strikes could make quite a few sports a lot better television. Golf, Motor Racing, General post match pitch-side commentators, Curling, the list is endless really.
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cameronphillips2000 wrote:
I reckon random drone strikes could make quite a few sports a lot better television. Golf, Motor Racing, General post match pitch-side commentators, Curling, the list is endless really.


Im not sure drone strikes are making it very exciting in Syria........

But yes I get your sentiment Toofy Grin Toofy Grin Toofy Grin
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cameronphillips2000 wrote:
I reckon random drone strikes could make quite a few sports a lot better television. Golf, Motor Racing, General post match pitch-side commentators, Curling, the list is endless really.


Im not sure drone strikes are making it very exciting in Syria........

But yes I get your sentiment Toofy Grin Toofy Grin Toofy Grin
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Well, at least it should settle the helmet question once and for all.
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Tubaski wrote:
Well, at least it should settle the helmet question once and for all.


haha i like your thinking - shall we change the title - I think we should!
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Tubaski wrote:
This would have been a fine candidate for a "Is skiing on piste now more dangerous than ever? Are drones to blame?" thread.

Seriously though, that was bloody close and it looked like a pretty hefty piece of kit, could have pretty bad if it had hit him.



The broadcaster should be fined heavily for not having an anti-crash system built into such a big piece of kit next to big crowds.
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Whitegold wrote:
not having an anti-crash system built into such a big piece of kit next to big crowds.


Is that even possible?? I genuinely dont know btw!

I just thought battery had run out Happy
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https://euobserver.com/economic/131418
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Stateside, the FAA are trying to regulate drone usage, albeit rather shakily as theres some question over whether they actually have the power to do what they're trying to do...
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Drone use is heavily regulated in the UK by the CAA - no more than 7kg weight, no closer than 50m or other person or 100m to a building , may not be used for monitoring, always in line of sight of the operator, land owners permission etc. I guess the regulations are pretty much the same over the rest of europe. Beyond these limits you require a special licence, which may or may not be awarded.

The merside police got into serious bother a few years ago when they went a bought a couple quadcopters and used them illegally
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8517726.stm
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johnE wrote:
The mer(sey)side police got into serious bother a few years ago when they went a bought a couple quadcopters and used them illegally
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8517726.stm


I think the Police should have known that "ignorance of the Law is no excuse". Toofy Grin
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johnE wrote:
Drone use is heavily regulated in the UK by the CAA
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In France too before anyone thinks it is ok to use a "follow me" drone in Val d'Isere.
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Drone use is heavily regulated in the UK by the CAA - no more than 7kg weight, no closer than 50m or other person or 100m to a building , may not be used for monitoring, always in line of sight of the operator, land owners permission etc. I guess the regulations are pretty much the same over the rest of europe. Beyond these limits you require a special licence, which may or may not be awarded.

The merside police got into serious bother a few years ago when they went a bought a couple quadcopters and used them illegally
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8517726.stm


Paragliging and paramotoring also have ruels - that many don't abide by.
The only time the CAA seem to bother is if a major air route is infringed upon.

The sheer number of drones in the UK means it's going yo be very difficult to police anything.
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Whitegold wrote:
The broadcaster should be fined heavily for not having an anti-crash system built into such a big piece of kit next to big crowds.
Doesn't gravity have the final say ?
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The sheer number of drones in the UK means it's going yo be very difficult to police anything.



So are we talking about everyone wearing helments all the time when outside in case of falling drones, meteor strikes etc Or just in crowded places??
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@Tarquin, the drone should have firmware that detects low battery and lands itself safely.
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Well radio controlled multirotors certainly have firmware that let's them auto land. Not sure how good that will be in variable terrain. They also have telemetry telling the operator how much power is left, at least on the less cheap ones.

US new rules don't have a drone register. They have a register of all rc aircraft users, and users must indicate their details on the aircraft. Since rc aircraft are kits or scratch built, they at least got that bit covered. Shame its like several other laws where it's the good guys that get licences and monitored, not the ones that don't care about laws, "just to be seen to be doing something".
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It should be flown outwith the ski corridor for tv filming, no one done a safety report on this job or did it badly, it could/should have had a parachute, that would almost certainly be a requirement in the UK.
No auto land or fail safe is guaranteed though, especially if they forgot to strap the battery in or the flight controller died or something flew into the drone or, or or, that's why you would have it outside of the course but perhaps the director wanted fancy chase shots.
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Dr John wrote:
@Tarquin, the drone should have firmware that detects low battery and lands itself safely.
But maybe it didn't work. If it was infallible they'd have it in planes.
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FIS have made a statement -

http://www.skiracing.com/stories/fis-responds-to-madonna-di-campiglio-drone-crash

“Drones won’t be used in the future.” This is such a shame, the drone angle is brilliant
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@Tarquin, I'm not a qualified pilot, but as far as I'm aware planes don't run on batteries, and I'm guessing that fuel indicators is a minimum equipment requirement.
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geeo wrote:
It should be flown outwith the ski corridor for tv filming, no one done a safety report on this job or did it badly, it could/should have had a parachute, that would almost certainly be a requirement in the UK.
No auto land or fail safe is guaranteed though, especially if they forgot to strap the battery in or the flight controller died or something flew into the drone or, or or, that's why you would have it outside of the course but perhaps the director wanted fancy chase shots.

The highlighted statement doesn't really allow for the fact that there will be crowds or at least some spectators watching beside the ski corridor so avoiding the ski corridor still puts the spectators at risk. They were apparently only supposed to fly in a corridor next to the slope but realistically what are the chances they will stay in that corridor? And in the case of an accident what are the chances it will still fall outside that corridor. Should all the spectators be required to wear helmets as well?

I suspect that the days of the current gay abandon with which drones are used are probably numbered. I must admit I'd quite like one for skiing particular when off-piste and in the 'wilds' but it would be very inconsiderate to other mountain users and, since I hate being bothered by sightseeing helicopters and such like when in the mountains, it would be very hypocritical of me to use one myself. So I'm afraid I'm in favour of ski resorts banning their use.
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So I'm afraid I'm in favour of ski resorts banning their use.



I suspect this will become another battleground between those libertarians who may claim their "rights" are being restricted and those who think that these days there is too much talk about rights, and not enough about responsibilities !
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@Tarquin, I'm not a qualified pilot, but as far as I'm aware planes don't run on batteries, and I'm guessing that fuel indicators is a minimum equipment requirement.
My car doesn't run on batteries but if there's no electricity it won't go. Won't drones have battery indicators ?
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Whitegold wrote:



The broadcaster should be fined heavily for not having an anti-crash system built into such a big piece of kit next to big crowds.


Probably hit another drone...........
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KenX wrote:
Whitegold wrote:



The broadcaster should be fined heavily for not having an anti-crash system built into such a big piece of kit next to big crowds.


Probably hit another drone...........

I don't think so; if you look carefully it doesn't appear at all damaged until after it actually hits the ground.
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The highlighted statement doesn't really allow for the fact that there will be crowds or at least some spectators watching beside the ski corridor so avoiding the ski corridor still puts the spectators at risk.

Well you obviously wouldn't fly over spectators instead of the course it doesn't have to be one or the other, usually they are only used for small areas of footage where cameras cant cover so that area is a no go for spectators, although they are so capable now more likely directors want the best shots available hence chasing the skier.

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hey were apparently only supposed to fly in a corridor next to the slope but realistically what are the chances they will stay in that corridor? And in the case of an accident what are the chances it will still fall outside that corridor. Should all the spectators be required to wear helmets as well?


There is no normal reason for it to leave it's desired route but it's under the control of a human so who knows what choices they will make and anything can go wrong, chances of it falling straight down as opposed to going haywire wherever are anyone's guess, that's why you should plan for the worst hope for the best.
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@MadMountainMan, +1

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So I'm afraid I'm in favour of ski resorts banning their use.



I suspect this will become another battleground between those libertarians who may claim their "rights" are being restricted and those who think that these days there is too much talk about rights, and not enough about responsibilities !



Drones will probably get regulated out of popular existence as soon as some fruitloop does a terr*r attack with one in the next few years.
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@Whitegold, Like handguns have been regulated out of popular existence in the UK ?
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@Whitegold, Like handguns have been regulated out of popular existence in the UK ?


Talking of drones and handguns, why not combine them? :


http://youtube.com/v/MBBC-xL_MTg#t=59
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