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Going to pick up a Patagonia down sweater to wear under my new shell jacket.
Any views on to hood or not to hood?
Thinking the hoody would be nicer to wear at other times, but the hood might be annoying with the ski jacket?
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I always get duvets with removable hoods, generally I hate them flapping around when not being worn, much prefer a hat. A fixed hood also jams up the space between your collar and neck and can lead to it getting damp due to sweat or water vapour that your body is giving off. However, when winter camping etc they are very warm and useful.
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Yeah you two have echoed my thoughts - no hood better for use under a ski jacket. I really hate having things tight around my neck and throat and am worried putting a hood into the mix (which needs to be tucked away) will reduce throat space.
Under the ski jacket is the number 1 purpose for the jacket. Being worn 'around town' was just a secondary idea and the hood makes the jacket look better, and it looked nice to snuggle down into on train journeys or in mountain huts.
But overall I think the hood would be annoying when under the ski jacket.
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As a mid layer of insulation, no hood. For around town, hood.
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I bought this last year with a hood and I would go for no-hood if I bought again as it is irritating under the ski jacket. My ski jacket is a shell type. Of course, I would love another with a hood to wear on its own..................
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I've got an ace primaloft/softshell combo jacket that I use as a mid layer on occasion - actually great at temperature reg. Hood is no real problem in practice as its very soft and scrunchy. I wear it as my main about town/apres/drive jacket in winter.
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Down jacket means hood imho, but I wouldn't wear a down jacket as a mid layer - too hot and sweaty.
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@kat.ryb, one of each?
but only in a sale
(COI declaration- Mrs Ed and I both Patagoniacs- albeit slightly stingy Patagoniacs- if that isn't an oxymoron)
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@kat.ryb, one of each?
but only in a sale
(COI declaration- Mrs Ed and I both Patagoniacs- albeit slightly stingy Patagoniacs- if that isn't an oxymoron) |
So do you shop at Mountain Factor and Epicentre in Ambleside?
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@Dave of the Marmottes, obvs
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So it arrived and the L was too big, but I don't think I like the fit anyway - really boxy around the armpits and chest.
Going to try for a Rab Microlight Alpine Womens Jacket I think instead. And go for a hood. #indecisive 
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You know it makes sense.
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That was a great price @kat.ryb, I was tempted - but didn't like the colour. I've ordered a yeti jacket from SportPursuit instead, and just got an email to say it's on the way, so I'll report back in hopefully a couple of days on that!
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I don't think I like the fit anyway - really boxy around the armpits and chest
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I find there's such a huge range of "fit" I really have to try on stuff like that. Haglofs garments tend to be slim fitting and quite long. I got a superb Haglofs shell, from Cotswold Outdoors, but totally failed to find a mid layer to wear under it, despite spending hours in the store and being prepared to pay full price if I found the right thing. Most had hoods, so were rejected out of hand, and of the remainder, the only sufficiently warm ones were scrunched under the arms, though absolutely fine round chest and hips and down my arms. Very frustrating. Had to return the jacket for a refund.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| kat.ryb wrote: |
So it arrived and the L was too big, but I don't think I like the fit anyway - really boxy around the armpits and chest.
Going to try for a Rab Microlight Alpine Womens Jacket I think instead. And go for a hood. #indecisive |
Everything from Patagonia seems to be cut for fat Americans, which is a shame.
Take a look at the Arcteryx Atom LT. I got one to wear under my shell in Japan, and am very happy with it. Use it almost every day in Autumn/Winter now.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| kat.ryb wrote: |
So it arrived and the L was too big, but I don't think I like the fit anyway - really boxy around the armpits and chest.
Going to try for a Rab Microlight Alpine Womens Jacket I think instead. And go for a hood. #indecisive |
I have one of these and I love it but it is pretty warm for a mid layer, if I was looking for a mid layer I would get the Arc'teryx Atom, without a hood or one of the Mountain Hardwear Monkey Fleeces which are lovely and super soft. MH seems to be cut for fat Americans as well and I sized down 2 sizes to get a nice fleece to wear under a shell. All mine have hoods at the moment and they are annoying in the snow, 2 are just about bearable but some very cold days I have been triple hooding it. The obvious answer is one of each, I don't like the hoodless look for a stand alone jacket.
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I just had my Yeti jacket (Womens Desire version) delivered from SportPursuit, and I'm very impressed. It's definitely more than I would have liked to spend, even though it was on sale (I took a chance, based on reviews I found) - but it's a really good mix of warmth and packability, and ridiculously lightweight! And fits like a dream, I can barely tell it's there under my shell. That's one more thing ticked off my list for next season, and more money out of my bank account 
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@fixx, that jacket looks very like a Henri Lloyd one I bought before I went to the Lofoten Islands, to go under my sailing outer jacket. It's like wearing a cloud. Was only available in black, but was also only £110 - sailing stuff, though often a silly price, seems to be less silly than skiing stuff.
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@cameronphillips2000, huh? Down is simply the best thing to keep you warm whilst being light and packing down to the something the size of your fist to fit easily in your bag. That's not marketing, it's established fact.
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Sorry but my computer seemed to have changed chavvy to chivvy.
Anyway. I stand by what I say. A Patagonian Down Jacket is a puffa jacket and should be called one. All this stuff about being original mountain ware is bollox. They're originated in the twelfth century in Liverpollium worn by people sat in dugouts whilst coaching their team who were kicking around a pigs bladder. Not only noted for warmth, they were seen as fashion statements at the time and worn by local noblemen such as Dalglish, Souness and Keegan. A French Lord called Wenger later introduced the full length version where it is often seen around the well heeled of Islington even today.
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I love way a puff a jacket can be remark eyed as Patagonian down to sound less chivvy
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Ha ha yeah my partner was like 'you're getting a chav puffa jacket?!?" when I told him I'd ordered a down jacket 
So the Rab Microlight (with hood) in grey arrived, and I really like it. Better fit (although I could maybe do with a tiny bit more room under the arm pits) and a better look. Doesn't pack up as small as the Pataonia though but still pretty small.
I do actually have a Berghaus primaloft jacket (no hood) I can wear under my ski jacket, just think that it might not be enough when the temp really drops. Last year I wore the berghaus under my normal ski jacket (not shell) when the temp was v low and was a bit cold sometimes. So the Rab is for general getting warm' wear while camping, for après, in mountain huts, whilst traveling, as my 'emergency layer' in the backpack and for a mid-layer on days when its really really cold.
Need to buy some more thermals and then I HAVE to stop spending money on ski wear.
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My most pretentious friend has a Rab jacket. He saw a hipster wearing one at the Airport and had to get one. He's currently working on his beard and lumbersexual look
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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So the Rab Microlight (with hood) in grey arrived, and I really like it.
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Bought my missus one of these for xmas and I'm still getting brownie points Fantastic bit of kit.
Incidentally, I'm of the opinion that down jackets don't work very well as mid layer. Issues is that the face fabrics have to have a very tight weave to keep the down in and this makes moisture transmission from base layer to shell jacket a little limited. Of course that is much less of an issue if you are not working very hard (cruisy piste skiing or just hanging out) or indeed just don't get that warm. I tend to use some combination of merino and powerstretch type high wicking fleeces. Down is great for pulling on over the top when you stop moving and start to get chilled.
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Down is alright until it gets wet......
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You know it makes sense.
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| cameronphillips2000 wrote: |
| Down is alright until it gets wet...... |
If it's warm enough to get wet you won't be wearing down...
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Poster: A snowHead
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@ fixx checkout the Arcteryx Cerium LT.
@ lynseyf MH monkey man is only good if it is cover pretty draughty otherwise. I am swapping it for the Arcteryx Atom LT - have yet to decide whether to go for Robin Hood or Sydney Carton version.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| ElBandito wrote: |
| @ fixx checkout the Arcteryx Cerium LT...... |
+1 for either the Arc' Cerium or Thorium. I've got the Thorium down jacket which has a slightly lighter weight down compared to the Cerium (750 v 850) but it's plenty toasty & even more compact - both come with small stuff bags or you can fold them into their own sleeve/pocket. Also got an Atom LT jacket & an Atom LT vest. All are light, compact & give a multiple of layering options when combined with a base layer under my hard shell. Arc' stuff is superb & their lifetime warranty support is excellent & if you buy in the sales it's sensible money for top end kit & as I wear all three all year round it works out as great value for money.
fixx, let me know if you want to check out my Thorium/Atom kit next weekend when you visit & I'll take them to my shop.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Thanks @spyderjon, and @ElBandito, but I'm sorted now - if you scroll up the thread you'll see I've now got a Yeti down jacket that I'm really happy with.
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FAQ
I think you'll find that "duvet" jackets have been around quite a lot longer than the sort of people who call 'em "puff" jackets have, if you see what I mean. I was kind of surprised when non-climbers started to wear them, meself. If you check the origins of Patagonia all may become clear. Or not.
