 Poster: A snowHead
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Hi All.
As an example.
If I was to be on the birthday bash and going away for the whole day. I'd need room for water, a snack (bars an crisps etc) and space for a fleece to take off. If I was also off piste I'd need a shovel tracker and probe.
I'd want room for spare goggles.
How big a pack do i need for this. 16l, 18l 22l 24l?
I don't want something baggy with the stuff flapping around but don't want something too tight. I'm thinking of an ortovox cross rider 22 or free rider 18 or haglofs 20L
What would you recommend.
cheers
bob
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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18/22L should fit the bill nicely! More so if it has side compression straps so if the bag is less than full it won't flap and all the stuff sink to the bottom........
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Dakine Heli Pro 20,simply the best.
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Day on the piste... pockets.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Bca stash, is the smallest sac I've found that will take all the stuff for off piste.
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Mr S has a Dakine Heli Pro 11L and I have a Haglofs Snow Passion 14L. Both are large enough to carry what you've listed, and as they are designed specifically for off piste, they both have places to hold each gear item (either inside the pack or secured to the outside) and have straps to attach skis. They are very low volume so you don't need to remove them on chairlifts.
If you pack them efficiently, you can fit a surprising amount in such as small bag - both have been used as hand luggage and will hold a ski helmet if you think about the orientation. The 14L was taken on a connecting flight where I wasn't convinced the main hold luggage would arrive, so it contained a helmet and a full set of gear (insulated ski trousers, ski socks, thermal top and leggings, fleece, goggles, sunglasses) and my lunch for the journey (I was wearing the jacket  ). I think pretty much the same went into the 11L, minus the helmet.
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| flangesax wrote: |
| Day on the piste... pockets. |
This. Otherwise regular helipack ( not the pro) is the smallest ski holder equipped pack I've come across. About 11l is all you need and much easier if you can just wear it on chairs.
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glasgowcyclops, Do you really need a rucksack when you are on piste? In an informal survey I did last year and the year before while sitting in chairlifts etc. I calculated that only about 10% of on-piste skiers carried rucksacks (and. It's if them seemed to be Brits). I wore one for a few days many years back and loved the feeling of freedom when I finally ditched it .
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Come on, 11L?
How are people going to think you're a hard-core backcountry dude with only 11L...........................
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For day use I'd advise nothing above 18 lt. You can fit a hell of a lot into one of those, I cram avi kit, food, duvet, spare gloves, spare goggles etc and still have room to spare. The smaller the pack the easier it is on chairs, I never have to take mine off.
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| foxtrotzulu wrote: |
| glasgowcyclops, Do you really need a rucksack when you are on piste? In an informal survey I did last year and the year before while sitting in chairlifts etc. I calculated that only about 10% of on-piste skiers carried rucksacks (and. It's if them seemed to be Brits). I wore one for a few days many years back and loved the feeling of freedom when I finally ditched it . |
Last year I stuffed lot in my pockets (2 on the side an one large one). Different Jacket now. I do intend to also use it on the odd day in the future but didn't want to confuse the matter.
I might go minimalist
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Scarpa, This!!
I also have a 24L for longer days - both are Ortovox Freeriders and love them!
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PaulC1984, Cool, I have a 25lt pack that fits my ABS vario avi bag, I keep it for those big days but haven't actually needed it yet lol
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You know it makes sense.
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KenX, maybe it's inversely proportional to the size of your backpack? 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| jbob wrote: |
| Bca stash, is the smallest sac I've found that will take all the stuff for off piste. |
This. Got one, just got another for Mrs MP. Pack stays nice and flat, but will take shovel, probe, midlayer and spare goggles and a snack easily, plus very well designed for carrying skis if you have a trek to the lift in the morning. I now end up taking mine on most days even for piste, because it is comfortable and you don't notice it is there. Build quality very good too.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Scarpa, I will one day get ABS, but given this is the first year ill be properly venturing off piste, I thought id borrow one this season and make sure its for me first  Sadly the Freerider 24 isnt abs compatible - i should have prehaps thought of that before id bought it, but it was this seasons at half price!!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Mistress Panda, A light pack is not much of an issue really, I prefer to take anything I may need during the day, plus a warm top in case I stay out late drinking.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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PaulC1984, An avi bag is a minor thing... staying out of slides in the first place is much more important.
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remember it has to take a fleece as well
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Scarpa, True indeed!
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well.... my off piste bag is a different monster...
Shovel, probe, beeper (unless i'm wearing it), clear glasses, high uv glasses, orange goggles, polarised goggles, snacks and small chicken, socks, dinner jacket and dress shirt with extra cuff-links,
fold-up bed, duvet and sheets, blow-up doll for company, dress and underwear (just in case I have the urge to cross-dress) and an extra thimble for the monopoly set... (i'm always loosing that one)
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flangesax, 
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flangesax, Austrian adventures indeed
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kiteman69, why would you need cheering up if you're skiing?
Why would you take a pack when you're only on piste??
I had a cracking Osprey 20l (I think) that I bought for carrying my work clothes in when I worked in a city and used to run home. It folded and strapped very small if not containing much and didn't move around. But it also served very well for touring as the zip arrangement made for very easy access de-re-layering and would have been dead easy to get at avvy gear. I lost it somewhere...or someone borrowed it...
Now have a DaKine Heli Pro which is probably bigger than I need most of the time but works very well. They've changed the design since I got mine (2006?)
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glasgowcyclops, Do you really need a rucksack when you are on piste? In an informal survey I did last year and the year before while sitting in chairlifts etc. I calculated that only about 10% of on-piste skiers carried rucksacks (and. It's if them seemed to be Brits)
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Easy to spot the british on the piste - rucksack and helmet
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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None, or very small, it's a day on the piste?........that's about 2 days a year.
Light off piste 18-22, carrying stuff just in case
Real off piste 28-40, going up as well as down, and or somwhere serious.
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| johnE wrote: |
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glasgowcyclops, Do you really need a rucksack when you are on piste? In an informal survey I did last year and the year before while sitting in chairlifts etc. I calculated that only about 10% of on-piste skiers carried rucksacks (and. It's if them seemed to be Brits)
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Easy to spot the british on the piste - rucksack and helmet |
No complaint for off piste skiers but people really do carry unnecessary shite for piste skiing. Wear the layers you are going to need and if its too cold either move around faster or go inside for a bit. Carry a bit of duct tape in your pocket to fix goggles and split gloves. Fill an old lipsalve tube with sunblock each day. A buff with do as a hankie, neck gaiter, facemask, emergency hat, tourniquet, phone polisher.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Why do people care if someone somewhere on the mountain may be carrying unnecessary crap with them  Unless they're making you carry it, who cares?
I always have a pack with snacks and drinks, sunblock, layers as appropriate and avi gear as appropriate and goggles and gloves. Still to use my new BCA pack in anger but I don't think there'll be any bother fitting it all in.
Ms P.
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Poster: A snowHead
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No if people in your group X Amount of crap they are carrying ^ 3 = Faff factor
Just simple maths innit
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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If you aren't thirsty............ Then you aren't pushing hard enough
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are you going to the Birthday Bash, kiteman69? If so, remind me to go with another group which stops for delicious Italian coffee in a nice warm caff. And then a delicious Italian lunch, without leaving enough time to get hungry enough to resort to squirrel poo-poo biscuits.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Personally I'd never ride with a pack at a resort, I don't need the OP's spare fleece, all I need is Sunscreen and sounds, both of which can go in my pockets. Every resort I visit has cafes where hydration is available, although I'd actually look at the evidence as water is overhyped. You could easily carry a small running water bottle in a pocket, if you really need to drink between Lattes.
I'm not sure if it's Brits who are characterised by carrying too much junk - I think it's just "boy scout" type people. Nope, I don't care what other people carry, but it is hard for me to advise them well. I sometimes visit resorts by public transport... in which case a day bag is too small to carry boots in, but you can fasten them to the board, then leave the bag in a locker at the resort. Some North American resorts have informal "bag trees" (perhaps a mecca for boy scout types), although those are obviously insecure.
For the OP's requirements a DaKine Heli (the standard one) would do fine plus they're equipped for ski/ board carry and come with shovel/probe pocket etc. They're thin enough to wear in helis. Duh. They're also fine on chair lifts, although the lifties may still make you take them off. These packs ride well - you'll forget you're wearing them. Which may defeat the object for the dedicated boy scout.
I'd consider dumping the fleece for a micro down sweater: lighter and smaller when packed for the same warmth.
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Mistress Panda, not great for ski position either...
kiteman69, i only tend to take my bladder for touring. I think there are enough eateries and drinkeries close enough when on piste.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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If I'm on the piste with the family for the day I need about 36L minimum!
Same on walks too. 
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| under a new name wrote: |
Now have a DaKine Heli Pro which is probably bigger than I need most of the time but works very well. They've changed the design since I got mine (2006?) |
+1 for the Heli Pro, it's a cracker
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| philwig wrote: |
| You could easily carry a small running water bottle in a pocket, if you really need to drink between Lattes. |
Or a bottle in a waist belt so that you don't feel it moving around.
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I use a 24Ltr Osprey, could get away with smaller. Layering up or down is good practise in my book and my rucky allows for that. The above ' I wouldn't wear a rucksack for xyz reason inc. looking Brit' need to get the over themselves!
"I'm melting here in the midday sun, but at least I'm looking local"
Last edited by You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net. on Sun 26-10-14 20:41; edited 2 times in total
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Double post.
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