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Thinking of going wider underfoot…

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Have to say rob, even that second vid looked quite nice - albeit one for a bit less pace and a bit shorter turns than you initially thought!

I think if snow is light, fresh and not deeper than your knees you can ski it on pretty much anything. Certainly used to enjoy that on old school 2m slalom skis.
I think fat skis really make a huge difference when it's chopped up, heavier or deeper. Not to say that they aren't fun in easy/flattering powder too.

And Dave, I can't contemplate being deflated by anything when there is a metre of new snow. I spend the whole day think how bloody lucky I am! TBH I don't mind skiing powder over bumps, just control the speed a little and ski by feel rather than eye. Powder over rocks... that is a problem.
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jedster wrote:
I think if snow is light, fresh and not deeper than your knees you can ski it on pretty much anything.
Agreed (both my clips in this thread have been on 78mm waisted ski, traditional geometry & camber and reasonably stiff), and that's very much at the heart of any advice I give about ski choice. When skiers say they want to ski off-piste, if they have in mind light, fresh powder of perhaps knee-depth on top of a reasonably firm base then there is no need to go to for a ski which is very wide, fairly soft, perhaps with a non-standard geometry or camber. While those skis will change the experience you have, they won't really make a difference between having fun and not having fun. However, I'd argue that those 'niche' skis will compromise the performance (and hence the fun) of skiing on piste. On the other hand, if your idea of off-piste is to ski whatever the conditions are, including crust, old manky snow, refrozen tracks, avy debris, as well as those rare days (in Europe) of perfect powder then a specialist ski for those conditions is a good investment and you'll just have to learn to live with the compromised performance on piste.

The best approach to ski choice is to be realistic about the skiing situations you'll find yourself in and choose a ski which gives you the most fun in as many of those situations as you can. And test lots of skis...
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kitenski wrote:
and the wider you go, the less deep you get and the less chance of face shots!!


Go faster, slash harder. I haven't had any problems getting immersed!
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jedster wrote:
clarky - what you are saying is that only an FIS spec ski is a GS ski. That's a point of view but its not fact. And it was only a few years ago that 22m radius was legal for FIS! So you are right that today for FIS competition radii are bigger


Well, yes. GS is a regulated discipline, if a ski doesn't match the regulations then it's by definition not a GS ski. It's a piste ski with fancy graphics and marketing. Which is fine.

By your logic we can take a 30 metre radius 190cm ski, paint it nicely and call it a DH ski. Sorry, but that doesn't make it a real DH ski though!
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so clarky, what about a 2006 FIS GS ski. IS it no longer a GS ski now that the minimum radius has increased? What has happened is that the FIS have increased minimum radius fairly consistently over the last few years making it less and less practical to ski a race spec ski on an open piste. Understandably, this has created a market for recreational skis that ski like the older spec FIS skis. I haven't skied them but I suspect Stockli non-FIS Laser GS skis aren't to sloppy and punterish....
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BTW the reason I described my 2005 stormriders as sort of tightish GS is that they are 174cm. The 184 version had pretty much the same shape and construction, only something like 13mm fatter, as the 2005 stockli FIS GS ski when the standard was 22m minimum radius
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so clarky, what about a 2006 FIS GS ski. IS it no longer a GS ski now that the minimum radius has increased?


It's an OLD GS ski wink

As you say 22 *minimum*. 18m was NEVER GS ski territory.

I'm 100% sure Stöckli non-FIS GS skis are in NO WAY sloppy and punterish, but that's still a very different category to a real GS ski - even the old ones.

And there was always a market for recreational skis that looked like real GS skis, as real GS were always impractical for 99% of people to ski on open pistes with other people on.

But I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree because this definitely isn't worth arguing over wink
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Well... @clarky999, Twisted Evil i ski rather a lot on 2009 FIS GS skis and not infrequently on SGs, and I find them quite amenable on open pistes.

I'm not sure anyone else does!*

*they do, honest snowHead
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@under a new name, I get the impression you're rather better than the average skier though wink
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@clarky999, you're very kind. Others might just say I'm weird.
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Kooky has promised to put me on some FIS GS skis this season to see how I like them. Why is this thread making me think that I will probably kill myself blasting down the woman's DH run at Zauch on the (first lift mind)? rolling eyes
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@Scarpa, you will know swiftly whether your technique is letting you down or not... Twisted Evil
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