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from Mr Hudson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/posts/Climate-latest-including-Hurricane-Gonzalo-Antarctica

Record Antarctica sea ice extent
Last week the National Snow and Ice Data Centre (NSIDC) reported that Antarctica sea ice reached a new record extent, breaking the consecutive records set in 2012 and 2013, based on satellite data since 1979.
The reason for this record ice extent, in a world which is experiencing near record warmth, remains unclear.
It’s a huge contrast with the decline in Arctic sea ice, whose summer maximum extent was the 6th lowest on record last month.
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This evening's output suggests the very mild weather in the Alps will last until the middle of next week at which point it will cool slightly before possibly warming up again.

Overall remaining milder than average.

Two caveats. There's a good deal of uncertainty from the middle of next week onwards and the 06z GFS took things below average from that point.
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Blizzards and avalanches in Nepal claim many lives.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-29625605
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/ottawa-trekkers-missing-in-nepal
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another tragedy for Nepal Sad
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Bergfex is suddenly forecasting shed loads of snow for next week (their forecast will probably change as soon as I post this)

http://www.bergfex.at/kitzsteinhorn-kaprun/wetter/berg/

http://www.bergfex.at/soelden/wetter/berg/

http://www.bergfex.at/stanton-stchristoph/wetter/berg/
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DB, there's some support for that in the GFS op run (which depending how Bergfex is drawing it's data may simply be circular). Let's see if it's still there in the morning!
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NOAA predicting warmer and drier winter for most of US especially West, including Rockies
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Some very mild weather coming up, before cooling down to seasonal average midweek and possibly some snow. Though I'm not completely convinced by the Bergfex forecast yet. Looks like it will warm up by next weekend again.

On glaciers, the annual figures from ZAMG of the glaciers they were measuring suggest some smaller Austrian glaciers actually increased in mass whereas larger glaciers saw a smaller decrease than has been recorded in recent years. This as a result of the cooler summer.

http://www.zamg.ac.at/cms/de/klima/news/massenverluste-der-gletscher-heuer-etwas-geringer
http://www.zamg.ac.at/cms/de/topmenu/ueber-uns/download/gletscher
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Yes Bergfex are predicting less snow and more of a cold snap then mild again rather than a full switch to winter weather.
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It looks like a short cold snap next week and then uncertainty. At least Tuesday looks promising, with snow levels below 2500 m


http://www.meteoexploration.com/forecasts/Piz-Buin/
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The colder weather midweek is forming up with snow down to 1200-1500m in the Alps on this evening's GFS op run this evening. It warms up a fair amount by the following weekend though. By the end of the run it looks like we could close out October with more cold weather, but that's far off in FI.
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A rough idea of snowfall midweek. Looks like being the first serious snow of the season.

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The anomalies for the last 30 days are running pretty warm.

Radstadt +4.16C

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/global_monitoring/temperature/tn11147_30.gif

But more promising suggestions for the end of the month on both GFS and ECM.

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I love this time of the year. It's a bit like the phoney war in 1939. Lots to get excited and worried about but none of it counts for another few weeks yet.
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After the midweek dip in temperatures there looks like being a return to more seasonal temperatures at the weekend before ECM suggests cooling again as we go into the last week of October, though beyond next weekend is inevitably uncertain at this point.
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Two elements worth noting in GFS this morning. The first is that it pulls back from the amount of snowfall mid week though there will still be a cold snap. The second is that there is no consistent support for a colder end of October. That said snowfall amounts are likely to go back and forth over the next few days till we get to midweek and the lack of consistency for a cold end to the month could also be read as a lack of consistency for a warm end to the month.
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Bergfex now forecasting 55cm+ for Kitzsteinhorn and the milder weather to be colder than first thought now - http://www.bergfex.com/kitzsteinhorn-kaprun/wetter/berg/
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This evening's ECM suggests temperatures in the Alps will rise above average on Saturday after the midweek cold spell, but by Sunday they're cooling again and slightly cooler than average temperatures hold till the end of the run and nearly the end of the month.

By contrast the UK would has high pressure in control and milder than average temperatures.

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Not that it makes much difference in terms of snow for the Alps, but regarding UK weather post Gonzalo, big disparity between ECMWF and GFS, the former says Indian Summer high pressure, the latter continuing very windy low pressure. Almost polar opposites...interesting that they can be so different.
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This morning's GFS op run has amped up the midweek snowfall considerably (see the chart seven or eight posts above - the main focus looks like being Austria), but now sees mild conditions following for the rest of the run although the 18z brought in colder temperatures from the start of November. ECM unfolding now.
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Snow down to 800m and up to 50cm according to Oesterreich.

http://m.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/Wetter-Oesterreich-Schnee-ab-Mittwoch/162004801

However, ECM now in line with GFS for a mild end to the month.
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Was out walking yesterday and it was so warm and sunny. Hard to believe it could be all white within a few days (probably only lasting for a couple of days until it melts too) but bring it on.

Photo taken Annaberg, Austria at circa 1300m looking down to 900m

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Ok - 1pm update on Bergfex - now forecasting over 1.6metres of snow between Tues and Thurs for Kitzsteinhorn - Kaprun Shocked Toofy Grin 95cm on Thursday!
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Ok - 1pm update on Bergfex - now forecasting over 1.6metres of snow between Tues and Thurs for Kitzsteinhorn - Kaprun Shocked Toofy Grin 95cm on Thursday!


Just seen that too - crazy
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that will probably equate to 20cm Smile
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This evening's GFS would see heavy snowfall down to 500-600m in places in Austria.
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Just a reminder that clocks roll back this weekend.



Here's SLF's take on the coming cold weather.

Onset of winter in northern regions: heavy snowfall, heightened avalanche danger

"Weather, forecast through Thursday, 23.10.

Storm-velocity northwesterly to northerly winds will lodge moist arctic air masses against the Alps. On Wednesday snowfall is anticipated in all regions of the Swiss Alps except in the south, on the northern flank of the Alps the snowfall will be heavy. On Thursday, heavy snowfall is expected to persist in eastern regions. In western regions and in Ticino it will be quite sunny. The snowfall level is expected to be at 700 to 1000 m. Since the ground is still warm, full snow depths will be reached only above 1500 to 2000 m. By Thursday evening, the following overall amounts of snowfall are anticipated:

- northern flank of the Alps from the eastern Bernese Alps to Liechtenstein, northern Upper Valais, northern Grisons and northern Lower Engadine: 60 to 80 cm; in the Glarner Alps and the Silvretta, as much as 100 cm

- northern flank of the Alps from Chablais to the western Bernese Alps, Lower Valais, southern Upper Valais, central Grisons, remaining Engadine: 20 to 50 cm

- remaining regions: along the Main Alpine Ridge as much as 30 cm; further to the south it is expected to remain dry

Outlook

On Friday, 24.10, and on Saturday, 25.10, it is expected to be predominantly sunny and noticeably warmer in the mountains. The avalanche danger will diminish only incrementally. Mountain sports participants can still trigger avalanches. In addition, the rising temperatures and solar radiation in the major areas of precipitation are expected to cause naturally triggered, moist snowslides to release at intermediate altitudes as well."
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Just looking at the val thorens webcam and it is great to see snow on the ground, if only for a few days.
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View from the back garden this evening



maybe 10cm, it will all be gone by Friday.
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As anticipated the majority of the snowfall was at the Austrian end of the Alps.

Nach dem Sturm kommt Schnee-Chaos.
http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/chronik/Schnee-Oesterreich-erwartet-Verkehrsbehinderung/162287038

This looks set to continue through much of tomorrow.

0300 http://www.meteocenter.eu/index.php?id=regions&region=S&section=precip&forecast=Snow&time=21#model
0900 http://www.meteocenter.eu/index.php?id=regions&region=S&section=precip&forecast=Snow&time=27#model
1500 http://www.meteocenter.eu/index.php?id=regions&region=S&section=precip&forecast=Snow&time=33#model

Tempertures will rise from Friday to around seasonal average in the eastern Alps, a little milder in the western Alps.

ECM has cooler weather passing through again at the end of the month, though GFS isn't on side this evening.
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cota4000, nice link.
Thanks.
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Over a metre of snow has fallen in parts of Tirol in the last 48 hours.

https://lawine.tirol.gv.at/schnee-lawineninfo/aktuelle-karten/

Temperatures will rise from tomorrow as high pressure builds and a period of mild and sunny weather follows with the Snowline rising rapidly.
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While I'm glad of the snow, I'm concerned about how stable the snow pack will be. A lot of snow falling on warm ground followed by warm weather is not ideal, be careful out there.
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LWD Tirol warning of avalanche risk from snow drifts at high altitude and
Gleitschneelawinen lower down on grassy ground.

https://lawine.tirol.gv.at/lagebericht/

Apparently up to 150cm of snow has fallen in parts of the Arlberg.
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Val Thorens has a big sprinkling plus they have switched on the snow canons down to the village level at 2300m. They obviously think that it is going to stay reasonably cold from now on from 2300 m.
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emwmarine, or they are testing the snow cannons.....
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Some of the mid Salzburg areas seem to have had a fair amount of snow.

It's been solid red there for the last 24 hours on the radar.

http://www.wetter.at/wetter/wetterradar

http://www.bergfex.com/salzburg/wetter/stationen/lofereralm/
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SLF update on the situation in Switzerland this evening.

Lots of snow, heightened avalanche danger regionally
http://www.slf.ch/lawinenbulletin/lawinengefahr/index_EN

Freezing level will rise to 3400m this weekend. The mountains should look good in the sunshine, but snow at lower levels will fade quickly.

Here's the accumulated snowfallover the last 48 hours in Austria at 0600 this morning where most of the snow fell.

http://www.zamg.ac.at/cms/de/wetter/news/aktuelle-schneehoehen/image/
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Broadly speaking we're heading towards a period of high pressure establishing itself over the Alps. This should produce some fine weather in the mountains. As low pressure from the Atlantic runs up against this there will be wetter weather for the UK. But not cold for the time of year.
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They are on again now and pilling up a big pile of snow under them. They do this every year from about when they think a big pile of snow won't melt and then they use the snow ploughs mid November to ensure the main pistes are ok for the 22nd November resort opening.
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