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The All New 14/15 Weather Outlook Thread

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GFS op run switches colder from 04/05 October this morning.
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Maybe some more unsettled weather in the Alps midweek, but not much support for yesterday morning's colder run from 05 October over the last few runs.

Need to break out of the current pattern...

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A number of recent runs have suggested the Atlantic might be powering up at the end of the first week of October. Not cold, but certainly more autumnal for the UK if it happened. With high pressure still in place over Europe it looks like the low pressure would be kept out west, which might put the UK in the firing line for some wetter weather.

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nozawaonsen, the week ahead countryfile forecast on BBC was going with a wet and stormy end to this week in the UK as well....
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The dominance of high pressure over the last month has made September the driest since 1910 according to the Met Office (less so if you live in Aberdeen). It's also been pretty mild.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/releases/archive/2014/early-september-stats?wt.mc_id=twitter_weather_newsrelease

Further north Arctic Sea Ice reached it's summer minimum about a fortnight ago.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

This was the sixth lowest since recent satellite records began. There is some evidence which links low sea ice with colder European winters.

"Changes in the Arctic ice cover have the potential to influence the weather further afield, by changing atmospheric circulation pattern outside the Arctic.

There is some evidence that low ice cover at the end of the summer can drive easterly winds across Europe, particularly in winter, potentially resulting in anomalously cold conditions.

The relative importance of sea ice conditions and other factors in generating cold conditions in the UK is an active research area for the Met office." [Met Office]

http://metofficenews.wordpress.com

Some research suggests a correlation between low arctic sea ice and subsequent -AO and -NAO (though extreme cold is not necessarily what you want for the best snow conditions!).
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Good stuff !

Unfortunately at the moment the Met Office are suggesting warmer and wetter than average out till December in the UK - so not winter proper.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/publicsector/contingency-planners
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Any snow for the Tignes Glacier opening?
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kioksor, might get a few light snow showers Sunday evening on the glacier.
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Quick look at ZAMG on September in Austria. Wet in the east, dry in the west.

http://www.zamg.ac.at/cms/de/klima/news/september-2014-nasser-osten-trockener-westen

- Temperatures within the average range for September.
- Rain in west (Votarlberg, Tyrol and Carinthia) up to 80% below average, in Eastern Austria two to three times average in places.
- Sunshine slightly below average.
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Quote:

Unfortunately at the moment the Met Office are suggesting warmer and wetter than average out till December in the UK - so not winter proper.


Excellent - this gaurentees a cold and snowy winter!
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Looks pretty mild in the Alps for now, cooler in Scotland, but patience required for anything wintry (not that this means anything for winter at this stage).
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GFS suggesting something cooler in the Alps around 13/14 October at present. It's being cropping up in a few runs recently and ECM was toying with it yesterday too, though not this morning. Too far out to take seriously at present, but will be checking to see if it is still there this evening. Otherwise looks pretty mild. This means nothing for the main season. It could be blazing hot for the next six weeks and then still snow heavily from mid November.
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Temperatures in the Alps look like increasing as the week progresses. Still looks like some sort of shift around 13 October in this evening's output, but less clear whether it will get particularly cold or not.
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12z GFS op run was pretty cool for second half of October. Will it pick up much support?
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Noza..thanks again for the updates, i often pop in to see what you have to say!
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Me too! Just like letelemarker, at least a daily look.
(In case nozawaonsen thought he was talking to himself Smile )
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This morning's GFS op run again suggesting a colder second half if the month in the Alps, but currently without a great deal of support or consistency.

Meanwhile and slightly off topic the rather intimidating Vonfong is heading towards Japan...

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Incidentally also waiting for snow is a film crew in Obertilliach in Tirol who have been patiently building a cabin and need some snow before they can film it being blown up as part of the next Bond film.
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Despite some teasing there really isn't much to suggest onset of cold at present. Though there has been some very nice hiking weather in the Alps. Could be a bit more unsettled this weekend into Monday.
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nozawaonsen, Whilst remaining calm and detached and certainly not wanting to excite the easily led nor the clutchers of straws the OPI buzzword now appearing everywhere in the cyber weather world will be interesting?
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robboj, yeah I'm a bit sceptical about that, but to be honest I haven't paid it a great deal of attention.
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Some suggestion of colder weather affecting Northern/Eastern Europe in perhaps 8 - 10 days until then looking reasonably settled and warm especially across Central and Southern Europe.

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"Meanwhile and slightly off topic the rather intimidating Vonfong is heading towards Japan" Thats a close up of a nipple rolling eyes
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and the Daily Express are predicting the worst winter for years (just like they did this time last year!!)

http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/520672/Winter-weather-2014-UK-forecast-cold-snow-November

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Typical level of journalism for the Express there. I particularly liked:
“A number of potentially very cold periods of weather and major snow events are likely to develop throughout this winter across large parts of the country, in particular, throughout the latter part of December and into January."
Err, you mean it'll be winter?
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robboj, yeah I'm a bit sceptical about that, but to be honest I haven't paid it a great deal of attention.


Some respected commentators over on TWO giving it a good degree of technical credence whilst cautioning that it is just one of number and not the indicator?
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October looking mild with high pressure ruling the roost over Europe for the foreseable.

Some strong winds over the Alps at times Sunday and Monday.
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robboj, it's an interesting idea, but as I said I don't know too much about it. One point worth keeping in mind is that high level blocking (-AO, -NAO) in winter can deliver very cold weather to Europe, but that doesn't necessarily equate to great snow conditions.
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This gives an idea of anomalies over the last month through to 09 October.

Geneva is running at +2.87C
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/global_monitoring/temperature/tn06700_30.gif

Radstadt at +2.83C.
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/global_monitoring/temperature/tn11147_30.gif
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12z runs look pretty warm next weekend. Here's the ECM temperature anomaly.



A couple of relatively cool nights coming up early next week (though not much cooler than average).
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Some stormy weather heading for the western end if the Alps. It's caused floods already in SW France. Heavy rain and strong winds should see snow falling above 3000m in Chamonix early tomorrow. Next weekend still looking very mild for the time of year.
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The pressure anomaly is interesting as we go into next weekend. A large low pressure system out in the Atlantic and high pressure over Europe. Here it is on ECM in a week's time.



Warm air being drawn right up from the south as you can see with the jet stream position on GFS (from next Saturday, GFS weakens the low by Sunday).

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Judah Cohen produces some interesting research into the relationship between increased Siberian snow cover and increased likelylihood of -AO during winter.

Last year his research suggested a mild winter in Europe.

http://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/autumnwinter/predicts.jsp

This year Siberian snow cover is apparently stronger than anything since 2000.

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/10/13/fall-snow-bonanza-in-north-america-and-siberia-may-portend-brutal-winter/
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Temperatures in the Alps and Scottish mountains look set to rise over the next few days becoming very mild for the time of the year by Sunday. Possibly unsettled Thursday night Friday morning. By the middle of next week it looks like things may start cooling down a bit.
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nozawaonsen wrote:
Temperatures in the Alps and Scottish mountains look set to rise over the next few days becoming very mild for the time of the year by Sunday. Possibly unsettled Thursday night Friday morning. By the middle of next week it looks like things may start cooling down a bit.


How far is the zero isotherm rising in the Alps? Looks like the glaciers got some decent snow this week.
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The freezing level is quite high now in the Alps, and will stay above 3000m during most of next week


http://www.meteoexploration.com/maproom/snowmaps.php?lang=en

So, only the highest ground will get snow, but I wouldn't worry, Tiroleans say that is a good winter when it doesn't snow until St Martin. I am pretty sure it will be a great winter.

The Scottish Highlands will be dry in the next days, which is not unusual in October. Time to enjoy crispy autumn mornings there.
http://www.meteoexploration.com/maproom/snowmapsBI.php?lang=en
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nozawaonsen wrote:
Temperatures in the Alps and Scottish mountains look set to rise over the next few days becoming very mild for the time of the year by Sunday. Possibly unsettled Thursday night Friday morning. By the middle of next week it looks like things may start cooling down a bit.


How far is the zero isotherm rising in the Alps? Looks like the glaciers got some decent snow this week.


Could be over 4000m by the weekend. Completely irrelevant unless you are planning on October skiing. Should be some fine hiking weather.
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Meanwhile crazy storm in Sydney and snow in nearby mountains...

http://m.smh.com.au/environment/weather/sydney-weather-thunderstorm-rages-through-city-20141014-1164cj.html
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Didn't see the word "unprecedented" in that article about the storm….can't be climate change Very Happy
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