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GF's new boots - Is her pain just where they are breaking in or not??!!

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Hi

Bought the girlfriend some Salomon Irony 6 boots from our local ski specialist a couple of weeks back with custom pro foot beds. She has worn them occassionally in the house and was happy with them.

Size seems good, we settled on these after trying a few on. There is 16mm of space between foot and shell, and she is a beginner.

Did two hours at the snowdome today though, to check them out (Another 2 hours planned Sunday) After an hour, she said her insteps were very painful - aching, almost cramplike, but not cramp.

So I suggested taking out the custom insoles and running the stock ones. This improved the situation considerably, with only a little residual discomfort. However, by the end of the 2 hours she said that the area around the cuff felt too tight, and the edges of the tongue cutting in. We rechecked all was settled correctly, and all seemed OK.

Any suggestions on what to look at? I have moved the spoiler down to maximise volume, checked the buckle adjustment, and there is sufficient room for her calves, it just seems the tongue, which has damn sharp edges (As my little finger can vouch for!) is digging right in, and the custom insoles don't seem to be helping with her position.

Would trying a thinner sock (Using Thorlos 2 at the moment, so maybe a Thorlos 1) help?

Or is it just a case, as my topic suggests, that she needs to break em in??!!

Sorry its so long winded, but want to use our time on the Snowdome slope sorting this out before our Xmas ski holiday!

ScottyDog
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scottydog, I have salamon boots (not sure what model) and have had a fair amount of discomfort/remoulding/stretching etc. The thing that worked best for me was buying a pair of thin ski socks. They weren't cheap, but compares to the price of a pair of boots, proved a worthwhile investment.
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One for SZK but maybe new footbeds could cause initial discomfort as they are giving correct alignment which she is not used to(?).

When Deb had her Salomon X-Wave's fitted at Profeet they remoulded the curve of the tongue to suit her leg shape. The stock tongue was too tight a radius & so was 'flatten out'.

Beginner's posture on the poma lift is often a cause. Feet need to be pulled back & hips forward for a proper centred stance over the balls of the feet which stops the tendancy to unknowingly grip with the toes which leads to pain.
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The initial pain sounds like the pain my salomons give me, which is basically a volume issue. When running mine in I was happy if I could manage 20mins continous skiing without a break, so an hour isn't bad! Even now (3 years on) I can't do a full 2 hour session at a dry slope without a break, you spend a lot more time on your feet at those slopes than at a real resort (drag lifts!). I'd try the thinner sock to get a bit more space, especially as it was better without insole. Also did you try just loosening the instep clip btw? It's not really doing an awful lot usually so there is no need to crank it down? If I'm having pain I tend to ski with them all (except ankle) as loose as possible, and fully undone on the lifts which makes a days skiing much more comfy!

If it is better without the insole though I'd be concerned about the fit of the insole though...where was it fitted and why (comfort/performance)? I had three 'wrong' footbeds before someone got it right (in resort, s&r, lockwoods). Could also be it's sitting in the wrong place in the boot for her feet? I.e it's a great fit but it's all 1cm too far forward or back once she puts the boot on...Or her posture when actually skiing is not the same as that they used taking the mould - you might be able to check that yourself with the footbed out of the boot so you can see how closely it fits to her foot.

If it was a comfort insole and it's not helping - as what is really needed is volume - I'd say just take it out for the first week and put it back later? There is no law that everyone must ski with a custom footbed all the time! Of the 20 or so folks I ski with I am the only one with one.

I also agree with spyderjohn - gripping with the toes causes the same pain (used to do this myself) but I am don't think removing the footbed would help if that were the cause? in my experience the extra room would cause you to grip more not less. It's worth asknig her though as a concious effort to not grip can help!

The 'residual' pain does sound more like bedding in to me though, the tightness at least should wear off a bit and the tongue will eventually give in - buy socks with more padding there? Or try and convince it to open up a little by storing the boots with something in (anything solid and round - we used a baseball) that helps flatten the tongue out in the top? Not sure it's good for the boots but it did work with mine...

Just my views as an end-user after lots of hassle with boots - I'm sure some of the pros on here can give much more accurate advice!

aj xx
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Think alot of beginners make the mistake of wearing too thick socks. Modern boots are so well insulated that thick socks are unnecessary. Try a thinner sock as this should be more comfortable reduce calf "pinch"

Rich
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scottydog, does your g/f have bad feet - I ask purely from a skiing persepctive Shocked

I know I have rubbish feet (collapsed arches, I pronate loads etc.) and custom footbeds take time to get used to. They push your foot into the shape they are meant to be, not the shape they ARE so, while they are excellent at assisting overall allingment they time a while to get comfortable on, in my experience.

Just a thought ....
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Thanks for the advice. We bought thin socks yesterday nite, and although they worked from the comfort of the living room I still had concerns. Even moreso after a chat whilst at Profeet today having myself fitted out.

So took them back to edge2edge who were excellent, and tried a few thigs out and concluded that although the size was OK, the foot volume wasnt matching the boot shape. So we now have a shiny new pair of Head 8.7's to try at the Snowdome on Sunday.

Fingers crossed! At least the Snowdome allows you to try these things and get it right.

Thanks again

ScottyDog
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