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Kingpin 10 vs 13

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I'm considering getting Marker Kingpins for my new set up and was wondering which one would be the better option. I currently run a din of 7ish but have just got new boots with a shorter BSL so it should go up. Checking out din settings on here http://www.mechanicsofsport.com/skiing/equipment/bindings/din-calculator.html reckons i should be running either 6 if i set it as a level 3 or 8.5 if i go level 3+. 6 seems kind of low and 8.5 seems pretty high so assuming i ended up with something in between, is there any reason to go for the 13s? A guy i spoke to in a shop said you're better off just going for the higher one but the 13 starts at 6 which seemed potentially a little close if i decided level 3 was the correct rating.
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Bindings will generally work best if you are close to the middle of their DIN range, so if you're a 6, a binding that goes 3-9 would be ideal. If you're an 8.5 you want something that goes 6-12 or similar.
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From what I gather that whole theory about better to be in the middle of the binding range doesn't really hold water - if a binding is certified to work at DIN 6, it will work perfectly at DIN 6, otherwise it wouldn't get the certification.

Can't remember if the Kingpin is actually DIN rated though? I've just bough at pair of the 13s, mostly as considering they're tech toes I want the stronger spring for reliability.
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telford_mike wrote:
Bindings will generally work best if you are close to the middle of their DIN range.....

That may have been the case 'back in the day' but it's no longer true. Bindings have to function accurately throughout their full din range & having torque tested hundreds of them (including the Kingpin) that's my findings as well.

el nombre, the Kingpin 10 & 13 are identical apart their din range & either one will work for you but if you've been running on 7 & now have a shorter boot (sufficiently shorter to move a column on the din chart) then the 10 din version will be fine. And it's a bit cheaper too.
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clarky999 wrote:
From what I gather that whole theory about better to be in the middle of the binding range doesn't really hold water - if a binding is certified to work at DIN 6, it will work perfectly at DIN 6, otherwise it wouldn't get the certification.

Can't remember if the Kingpin is actually DIN rated though? I've just bough at pair of the 13s, mostly as considering they're tech toes I want the stronger spring for reliability.

Yes the Kingpin is din certified however the heavier heel springs have no bearing on reliability (both models have to perform within tolerance) & the springs in the toe are the same in both models.
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spyderjon wrote:
clarky999 wrote:
From what I gather that whole theory about better to be in the middle of the binding range doesn't really hold water - if a binding is certified to work at DIN 6, it will work perfectly at DIN 6, otherwise it wouldn't get the certification.

Can't remember if the Kingpin is actually DIN rated though? I've just bough at pair of the 13s, mostly as considering they're tech toes I want the stronger spring for reliability.

Yes the Kingpin is din certified however the heavier heel springs have no bearing on reliability (both models have to perform within tolerance) & the springs in the toe are the same in both models.


You're the expert so I'll bow to your wisdom (and you're def right it's DIN certified - I half-remembered some chat about some TUV certification for touring bindings rather than actual DIN), but Wild Snow definitely suggest the toe springs are different (black vs grey), and 'slightly stronger' in the 13 DIN version:

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DIN (nice to be able to call it that): One model goes from 5 to 10, model with black toe springs adjusts from 6 to 13 and yes Virginia the black toe springs are slightly stronger and everyone will of course want them.


https://www.wildsnow.com/14363/marker-kingpin-binding-review

So I figured they must be a bit more robust and perform a bit better retention-wise. Or have I misunderstood?
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@clarky999, funny that the parts manual only lists one spring/model number wink
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@spyderjon, haha fair enough!
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Hey! Is it really a difference between the Kingpin10 and 13 toes? Ive seen people claiming that theres higher retention in the 13 toes, but also others claiming that at the end, the parts manual doesnt show any difference
Can anyone please clarify of proof any of these versions?
Thank you very much!
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As far as why Im asking this: I have a Brand new pair of Kingpin 13s affected by the recall. Right now Im in South America and the importer here can only offer me Kingpin 10 (silver springs) to replace mine... and Im out there everyday and its a pain in the ash to ski and tour around with that bug feeling that you might be in Deep poo-poo at any momento....
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As far as why Im asking this: I have a Brand new pair of Kingpin 13s affected by the recall. Right now Im in South America and the importer here can only offer me Kingpin 10 (silver springs) to replace mine... and Im out there everyday and its a pain in the ash to ski and tour around with that bug feeling that you might be in Deep poo-poo at any momento....
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spyderjon wrote:
@clarky999, funny that the parts manual only lists one spring/model number wink


Is this checked???
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clarky999 wrote:
spyderjon wrote:
clarky999 wrote:
From what I gather that whole theory about better to be in the middle of the binding range doesn't really hold water - if a binding is certified to work at DIN 6, it will work perfectly at DIN 6, otherwise it wouldn't get the certification.

Can't remember if the Kingpin is actually DIN rated though? I've just bough at pair of the 13s, mostly as considering they're tech toes I want the stronger spring for reliability.

Yes the Kingpin is din certified however the heavier heel springs have no bearing on reliability (both models have to perform within tolerance) & the springs in the toe are the same in both models.


You're the expert so I'll bow to your wisdom (and you're def right it's DIN certified - I half-remembered some chat about some TUV certification for touring bindings rather than actual DIN), but Wild Snow definitely suggest the toe springs are different (black vs grey), and 'slightly stronger' in the 13 DIN version:

Quote:
DIN (nice to be able to call it that): One model goes from 5 to 10, model with black toe springs adjusts from 6 to 13 and yes Virginia the black toe springs are slightly stronger and everyone will of course want them.


https://www.wildsnow.com/14363/marker-kingpin-binding-review

So I figured they must be a bit more robust and perform a bit better retention-wise. Or have I misunderstood?
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@SouthSkier, strength/functionality there's no difference but if you need to continue to use your bindings and you want the 13 toes then simply get your retailer/importer to loan you a pair of 10 toes until the replacement 13 toes arrive from Marker Germany. This is Markers problem not yours so it's their responsibility to keep you on the snow. Plus 13's are dearer than 10's so unless they're offering some cash back I'd be wanting the 13's.


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Thanks for the answer.
Yes, I know they are cheaper, but since Im keeping the heels with the 13Din spring, I just want to know if the mixture: 13 heels - 10 toes would affect the functionality. Im quite a big dude at 190/200lbs and find at 11/12 most of the time....
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