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Hi All

I was after a little bit of advice please and Id be really happy of anyone can let me know.

I used to Ski a lot, several weeks a season and to a good standard, Id be happy to ski anything anywhere (except some extreme couloirs). I spent most of my time on the Grands Montets and La Grave I haven't skied for several years however due to getting married etc.etc.etc.

I started out on long Vokl's about a foot taller than me (that feels like a very long time ago), and just before I stopped skiing I was on an all mountain Bandits (I think they were rosignol) they came to about my nose if I remember.

Anyway I am going skiing in a couple of weeks and will be hiring skis and boots, I went to the snow place at Castleford last week and it all came back quickly by the end of the hour I was really comfortable turning nicely and going down the (small) moguls off to the side. I didn't think to look at the length of skis they gave me.

I know that things change in the equipment world, and it may have passed me bye - is nose height a sensible length to go for with an all mountain type ski?

Thanks in advance for any assistance, and any jokes about an old man getting back into it will be taken with good humour.

All the best.
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To give a reasonably accurate answer, can you give:
- Weight
- Height
- Speed you like to ski
- Whether you are going to remain on Piste...or more All Mountain.

Would it be reasonable to describe you as an advanced skier? - if hiring, you should have the option of changing lengths if you get it wrong
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Hi thanks for the reply, I'm 5'11' and 13 stone 7 pounds, and I would have described myself as advanced 10 years ago when i last skied.

Thanks.
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Sorry I want so ski all mountain - and with regard to speed I prefer to have fun and enjoy the turns.
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My best guess would be 175 - 180
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Thanks, that's 175 is eye level and 180 is top of my head, Ill try 175 on the first day and go from there.
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montets wrote:
Sorry I want so ski all mountain - and with regard to speed I prefer to have fun and enjoy the turns.

In that case 180 or possibly a touch longer - with a width of 88-93mm for more On Piste (All Mountain Ski)....or around 100mm for 50/50 for more Off Piste (Freeride Ski).

If you haven't used a ski wider than the Bandit, it would probably be better to look at 88-90mm skis....but it's trial and error.
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I donít really think ~93 vs ~100 mm makes all that much difference?

Iím a reasonably stong skier, 167 height, (62kgs) ski for daily skis 173s, 98mm underfoot. Nearly went 180, but didnít give advantage.

Make of that what you will.

ďHave fun and enjoy the turnsĒ is surely meaningless?
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@under a new name, IIRC Rossignol Bandits were around mid 70s in width - so going from that to 100mm might feel awkward. I took a bit of time to get used to 93mm, having skied almost entirely on 63 or 70mm width.
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@montets, I was the same stats as you and also skied on Bandits 10 years ago. Do you remember what colour they were? White, Blue or Green? The B2's (White or Blue) were 76/78mm underfoot depending on year and the B3 83mm. The most common lengths were 174 to 176cm which would be nose height for you.

If you're just getting back into it, I would pick something of similar dimensions to ease the familiarity. Most skis now are wider than they used to be and have some form of early rise tip (or rocker) which makes them ski shorter than their stated length. Therefore you should go a little a little longer than nose height to get the same edge grip. I loved the original Bandit B2 in the 176cm length but in later years usually skied something around a 177cm in the low 80's for width, without rocker. I'm a stone heavier now and my everyday ski is a Kastle MX83 in a 183cm (without rocker) but I'm a much better skier than I was 10 years ago which is also a factor. On a rockered ski, I go longer still but it depends also on how stiff/wide it is.

Although "All-mountain" is often quoted as 95-100mm under foot, I absolutely would not recommend that size until you get your legs back. Even then, you might find the characteristics too different to adjust quickly to, especially in hire boots. That extra width will exacerbate any lack of response from slop in your boot. Same goes for anything around 90mm. It won't be quite as bad but it'll still feel odd. I'd put money that the skis you quickly adjusted to at Castleford were intermediate level in the mid/high 70's for width, same as the old Bandit B2's.

I'd start with a width that's familiar(ish), just a little longer. So low 80's underfoot and around 180cm long would be my recommendation. You can always swap them in the hire shop later in the week if you want to try something wider.
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I seem to remember them as red, blue and white, but I could be mistaken! memory is not what it used to be!

Thanks for the really good advice, to you and everyone else.
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Ive googled images and they were the red and white ones. No Blue! must have imagined that!
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montets wrote:
I seem to remember them as red, blue and white, but I could be mistaken! memory is not what it used to be!

The red and white ones were the first generation, circa 2003. Bandit X, XX or XXX. The XX was the most common and was 74mm underfoot. The XXX was 90mm but pretty rare and had an unforgiving reputation. You could have been on those if you were skiing around La Grave but I think you'd remember?

Graphics were almost identical on all three models. Don't remember any blue though, maybe your bindings were blue?
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montets wrote:
Ive googled images and they were the red and white ones. No Blue! must have imagined that!

You beat me to it! Very Happy
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I think you are right XX's gosh I thought it was only 10 years ago not 15! What have I been doing with my life!
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montets wrote:
I think you are right XX's gosh I thought it was only 10 years ago not 15! What have I been doing with my life!

Not enough skiing! Laughing
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montets wrote:
with regard to speed I prefer to have fun and enjoy the turns.


What's that meant to mean?!!! Puzzled

Sorry officer I don't know how fast I was going... I was having fun and enjoying the turns. That's OK right?
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@montets, I can't guarantee that they'll be available for rent but in the current range I would consider the Experience 84HD to be the spiritual successor to Bandit XX/B2. For your stats, 178cm long. You can research them and it'll give you an idea of what to look for when you see the available rental list.

Enjoy your trip. snowHead
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'with regard to speed I prefer to have fun and enjoy the turns'.

What I mean by that is I'm not bothered about going super fast, I guess if I did I'd be looking at some downhill or GS ski's.

I do get overtaken by people who are not putting in any turns - Do you see what I mean now?
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@montets,
Blizzard Brahma is one all mountain ski Iíve enjoyed that I think would suit the terrain you mention.
Iíve also used a couple of more recent season issues skis, Volkl and Atomic, but would have to look up exact model names.
170Ė178 max sounds right length range to me.

After La Grave, most pistes are not too challenging are they? Enjoy your skiing renaissance. As a senior myself, never too late to learn a few more tricks snowHead
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@Old Fartbag, it depended on whether they were were B1, 2, or 3, probably 2s in fairness to you which werenít terribly wide (mid 70s?).

Not my favourite ever ski.

@montets, now I understand, and re Bandits, I should have read all posts Embarassed Twisted Evil My recollection of a mateís XXXs was that the black turned to dark blue in places.

Nice marketing.

Make sure you find a nice shop and then you can try various models.
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Thanks for all the help guys, I setoff soon, and am starting to get excited!
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I used to ski bandit b2s and b3s 15+ years ago when I did a couple of seasons in Chamonix. Mostly skiing Les Grands Montets. I got back into skiing 3-4 years ago and have found a one ski for all things to be non-existent. I first went for 180cm Brahmas but found them a little unforgiving. This year I'm on Dynastar Speedzones in 174 and 182 for on piste. I have some Dynastar Cham 97s (Legends this year) in 182ish for off piste stuff. Very happy with the set up. I'm 5 foot 11 tall and 12.5 stone. HTH
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