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Iím a nervous intermediate, happy on blues and easy reds. I picked up my hire skiis today and when I stand them in front of me they nearly touch my nose. Is there a rule of thumb about length of skiis? How is it calculated? Also Iíve never had lady skiis before and am wondering what the difference will be. I just had to trust that the guy in the shop was saying when he said they were suitable.
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Ski Length is usually worked out with:

- Gender
- Height
- Weight
- Standard
- Speed you ski
- Terrain type
- Personal preference (More stability vs Easier to turn).
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Thanks ofb. That makes perfect sense. Based on him knowing my weight and height and that Iím an ďexpertĒ (this made me laugh but basically you are either a beginner here or an expert) and there therefore being a massive range of ability within that category, and the fact he has no idea how fast I ski (not very!!) Iím just not sure how say he came up with atomics for me and not something else.

As an aside, how do I know if these skiis arent ďrightĒ for me or whether, if I keep falling over, it isnít just my poor skiing?
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Thanks ofb. That makes perfect sense. Based on him knowing my weight and height and that Iím an ďexpertĒ (this made me laugh but basically you are either a beginner here or an expert) and there therefore being a massive range of ability within that category, and the fact he has no idea how fast I ski (not very!!) Iím just not sure how say he came up with atomics for me and not something else.

As an aside, how do I know if these skiis arent ďrightĒ for me or whether, if I keep falling over, it isnít just my poor skiing?
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Length sounds about right. Hard to say how they might feel theyíre not right. If they feel unstable at speed and a bit flappy they might not be stiff enough. On the other hand, if you donít feel ďon top ď of them...if they feel hard to turn, or if you tend to sit back and you fall a lot, they might be a bit too stiff. If you want extra reassurance, google the make and model...you should get an idea of the sort of skier they are aimed for. I donít think ski hire shop ďexpertĒ skis are likely to be too hard core.
I bet youíll be fine!
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I've been given all sorts of sizes over the years - from 145 - 158, I'm 159cm tall and weigh 56kg, and am a cautious skier - I can ski difficult reds but I don't like to.

The 158's were too difficult to turn for me and I exchanged them.

I now have my own skis - atomic Cloud 9s which I love.
I found this channel very helpful when deciding which skis would suit me.


https://www.skis.tv/c/On-Snow-Video-Reviews/3764888--


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@bambionskiis, they sound about right length.
What brand and model are they? Atomic, Salomon? Rossignol? Blizzard etc?
Or post an image of 1 ski?
If youíre really a nervous intermediate you wouldnít really want an Ďexpertí ski, could be too stiff.
Have you skied on them yet?
Try on gentle wide slopes near your base camp. Do lots of turns and see how they feel. If unhappy take back and ask to try alternative. I swapped 4 times last week before happy with mine on Day 2.
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Oh, I see from details on your post theyíre Atomic.
Cloud 7 maybe?
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bambionskiis wrote:
Thanks ofb. That makes perfect sense. Based on him knowing my weight and height and that Iím an ďexpertĒ (this made me laugh but basically you are either a beginner here or an expert) and there therefore being a massive range of ability within that category, and the fact he has no idea how fast I ski (not very!!) Iím just not sure how say he came up with atomics for me and not something else.

As an aside, how do I know if these skiis arent ďrightĒ for me or whether, if I keep falling over, it isnít just my poor skiing?

As a guide, enter your Stats on here: https://www.skis.com/size-chart/skis,default,pg.html (you may need to click the down arrow to see the recommended length range, once the info has been entered)

The next thing to do is google your ski model, to see who (and what terrain) it is designed for and any reviews.

As said above - the skis can be unsuitable if:
- They are badly tuned
- They are too long for your ability (struggle to turn them and catching edges)
- They are too soft for you (feel flappy and unstable)
- They are too stiff (They run away with you and are hard to turn)

IMO Look for Lady specific skis, with a Turn Radius of 12 or 13m and a waist that is between 70mm and 84mm...probably what they gave you. If the Pistes are icy and crowded, then go for a narrower ski in a shorter length (easier to turn due to being shorter and better on ice* due to the narrower waist). If the conditions are soft and powdery, then go wider...which makes it easier when skiing on pistes with those conditions (all IME).

* Longer skis give better grip on ice, due to the extra edge length, but won't be as nimble (if crowded)....though sharp edges are also crucial.



If you are enjoying them and they are giving you confidence, they should be fine....if not, go back to the shop and see what else they have.
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Thatís great everyone, really helpful. I skied on them this morning and it was great. I did the research suggested and they came out fine. Having them shorter definately meant I wasnít tripping over but yes as indicated, no so brilliant on slightly icy bits. Didnít fall over at all so I rate that all a success!! Cheers all
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Good news! It's a stupid psychological thing but it's reassuring knowing the skis you've been given suit you. I was double guessing myself over my boots thinking I'd bought ones too stiff after staring at an enormous bloke in 70's, and had to go back and chase the reviews before i relaxed in them....duh, sometimes ignorance is bliss....
Just curious - which skis do you have?
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bambionskiis wrote:
Thatís great everyone, really helpful. I skied on them this morning and it was great. I did the research suggested and they came out fine. Having them shorter definately meant I wasnít tripping over but yes as indicated, no so brilliant on slightly icy bits. Didnít fall over at all so I rate that all a success!! Cheers all

That's good.

FWIW. Ice performance (aside from technique), is effected by:
- Hired skis often don't have the sharpest edges...should be sharp enough to shave a thumb nail when drawn across them, but seldom are.
- Characteristics/Design of the ski ie. Less rocker/narrow waist/torsional stiffness/damp construction, all help. A soft Intermediate Ski will be easier to handle, but is likely to be less stable at speed and less grippy on ice. Finding the right compromise (for you) is the ideal, but can take a bit of trial and error (and researching the skis that the Hire Shop has available).

IME It usually pays to go into a hire shop knowing (or appearing to know) what you want/expect. If you say you haven't a clue and throw yourself at their mercy, they "may" be tempted to give you something from their "well used", lower performance stock.
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Hope you don't mind if I hijack your thread a little bit, Bambi.
Just wondered how acceptable it is to approach an in resort ski hire shop and ask to try skis? Not at "no cost" - I'm quite happy to pay for the time and set up costs but what would be a reasonable charge for an hour or so's use?
Any thoughts gratefully received.
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Hope you don't mind if I hijack your thread a little bit, Bambi.
Just wondered how acceptable it is to approach an in resort ski hire shop and ask to try skis? Not at "no cost" - I'm quite happy to pay for the time and set up costs but what would be a reasonable charge for an hour or so's use?
Any thoughts gratefully received.

IME. They will usually allow you one change in the week....maybe 2, if you charm them.

I suspect if you pay a premium for their demo skis and tell them what you want to do (preferably with the intention to buy), they should accommodate you...but it will be down to the shop.

In The States this year, the shop my Brother hired from, had a selection of this year's ski for demo, with the ability to change as often as you liked...but you paid a premium for this luxury.
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Thanks, OF, I'm just being 'grass is greener' and probably should concentrate on skiing better on the ones I have, which do come up as an option when I use the link you provided.
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Fascinating stuff this! Just checked scamper and they are Atomic 74 vantage x.

Iíd like to think I could carry off knowing what Iím talking about in a hire shop ofb, but I donít think Iíd last long.... until reading this. Big help.
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bambionskiis wrote:
Fascinating stuff this! Just checked scamper and they are Atomic 74 vantage x.


Atomic Vantage X74 W, are very light skis (with no wood or metal), suitable for beginners and nervous Intermediates, as they are very easy to turn.

As a possible suggestion - if things are going well for you and confidence is reasonable, towards the end of the week (last day?), you could ask the Shop if you could try something of a similar profile, but a little stiffer ie. more firmly in the Intermediate/Advanced Intermediate category (preferably with a light wood core and Women specific).
It will still be easy to ski, but give more stability and better grip in ice. It will let you know if getting a ski with a bit more performance, helps or hinders.....or......ignore this completely and stay with what you are happy on.
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IME. They will usually allow you one change in the week....maybe 2, if you charm them.


I've been charmless for well over 50 years, as MrsPeakyB will testify. I never have any problem getting rental skis changed, when I go back to shop, show an interest and ask what they might recommend. I don't always go with their recommendation, of course.

On some occasions I book through Skimium franchise shops, lots of them around Europe. With a Decathlon discount card, I get good rates, usually cheaper than any other agent/shop. Being a member also entitles me to change skis, have extra midweek wax (ouch!) and other minor benefits.

IME, ice is difficult to cope with on any skis. I just slide as controlled as possible until the next grippy bit for a turn. Predicting likely ice is best way to cope, through experience and a bit of planning.

@bambionskiis, personally, if those skis are suiting you, I'd stick with them, unless conditions changed dramatically. For example, if large dump of fresh snow, I might go back and ask for fatter skis to try out, as they tend to 'float' on soft snow better. snowHead
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PeakyB wrote:

On some occasions I book through Skimium franchise shops, lots of them around Europe. With a Decathlon discount card, I get good rates, usually cheaper than any other agent/shop. Being a member also entitles me to change skis, have extra midweek wax (ouch!) and other minor benefits.


I've noticed the shops around and about didn't realise that were decathlon partners
https://www.skimium.co.uk

Thanks for the heads up.
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Thanks peakyb and ofb. Good suggestions.

Exchanging them would give me a chance to see what the difference which would help for choosing skiis next time as well. Plenty of fresh snow all week by all accounts but not in massive dumps. Temps are max -10. As such I can probably just stick with what I have. With your info Iíll make a judgement later in the week then. Cheers
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@bambionskiis,
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Temps are max -10. As such I can probably just stick with what I have.

Where are you?
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bambionskiis wrote:
Thanks peakyb and ofb. Good suggestions.

Exchanging them would give me a chance to see what the difference which would help for choosing skiis next time as well.

That was exactly my thought....though I didn't want you ending up with something that removed your confidence (which is where I suspect PeakyB was coming from), but I think this is unlikely.

I suspect you are better than you think and might enjoy a ski with just a little more bite. My suggestion, would be to find out what the shop has that might be suitable, then go and do a bit of Googling, to see if any of the choices look interesting.


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Actually thatís what my husband said this morning funnily enough ofb. He is telling me to get a grip, accept that actually Iím a pretty good skier, start believing in myself and crack on (he was kicked off the counselling course Laughing ). Will set about googling and having a think. Cheers
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Have a Google for the atomic cloud 9s that I have and see whether you think you'd like then. They are very forgiving 😊
If you can find a rental pair I don't think you would be disappointed.
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FWIW. My pick would be Salomon W-Max 8...which probably isn't available (but it might be).

It should be stable, easy to ski in all turn shapes and have a big performance envelope (from slow pivoty turns, to faster carved ones). Salomon generally make fun, playful skis...and these have Wood Core/Piste Rocker/Radius 11.8 (155)...Perfect! snowHead
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PeakyB wrote:
@bambionskiis,
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Temps are max -10. As such I can probably just stick with what I have.

Where are you?


Obertauern peakyB
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bambionskiis wrote:


Obertauern

I had a very pleasant few days there, staying at the lovely Hotel Marietta. Back then, not a lot of English was spoken, neither in the Hotel, or the Ski School (which I joined, just to have someone to ski with, as I was there on my own as part of a business trip) - but I'm sure that's now changed.


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The atomic cloud 9s look great. They seem to go up in increments of 7, ie 143, 150 etc. my current ones are 145 so I assume the 143ís would be best?
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I have 149cm which was the best for me in that year (next up was 156cm which I didn't fancy), but if you have a play on the ski length calculators they will give you the appropriate length.

The ones OF suggested sound great too and on one review site had a better score than the Cloud 9s.
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