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Layer up, get mitts, you'll be good
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With modern breathable clothing there will be some heat drawn out in wind.
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under a new name wrote:
Remember wind makes a difference but wind chill is all about exposed skin and metabolic response.

Do you get a wind chill effect in your cars?


For sure Toofy Grin

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@Canuck, not much. Precious little.

And remember, while skiing you are generating your own “wind chill”.
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under a new name wrote:
Remember wind makes a difference but wind chill is all about exposed skin and metabolic response.

Do you get a wind chill effect in your cars?


Quite often, but its an acceptable trade off Madeye-Smiley
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Thanks for all the replies Little Angel having been reassured that our limbs wont spontaneously fall off, we have booked to go to Obertauern.

OH has just admitted that he "doesn't have any mid-layers" so we're off to the shops!!
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Definitely recommend a balaclava to defend against the wind blowing thousands of small needles into your face.

The worst situation is when you get on the chair lift in the valley and there's no wind, and it's 10 degrees warmer, so you don't bother putting on the balaclava. Then as you get near the top you realize the temperature has dropped rapidly, the wind is gale force blowing horizontally into your face, and the lift then stops for several minutes...
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Coldest I've ever skied is -20 with no sun. Holy **** was I freezing, even with an extra layer on. It was two runs, duck into lodge to warm up, repeat 2X and go home. My hands and feet get cold below -10, and adding liner socks doesn't help because my boots are sized to one pair of socks. I have skied -10 to -15 in the sun and felt fine, so long as I wiggle my toes aggressively on the lift.

To be honest in the French Alps at half term it rarely gets that cold. However, the northeast US, where I grew up -- it's routinely below 0 F, especially in northern VT.

Putting a positive spin on this thread, my ideal temperature is around -5 as it keeps the snow from melting/refreezing. I also like it when it's really warm and sunny, say 10 plus. Then it's just a light jacket and sunglasses and it's all good fun.
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Once had a one piece wooly bear with zipped rear access, great not having to drop it for those occasions when needed

Used to regularly operate in Norway (not skiing) in minus 40 temperatures, wore special contact gloves cause touching bare metal without them resulted in your skin becoming attached

Learnt to avoid outside loo stops and not to gather "yellow" snow to boil water for a brew

Nowadays can just about manage up to minus 20 for a short while, then it's inside for a pit stop
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Do you get a wind chill effect in your cars?

No. But yes, if you sit on the roof.
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bum wrote:
Definitely recommend a balaclava ...
The worst situation is when you get on the chair lift in the valley and there's no wind, and it's 10 degrees warmer, so you don't bother putting on the balaclava. Then as you get near the top you realize the temperature has dropped rapidly, the wind is gale force blowing horizontally into your face...


Good trick with balaclavas is to wear them with the bottom rolled up, as a hat ( under your helmet if you wear one). No need to have over face all the time, and don't get too hot, but can be pulled down quickly in said lift or other sudden cold situation. Personally though, I prefer 2 separate buffs, one under helmet as kind of low bandana around upper face and the other under helmet strap round neck, able to pull up over face quickly or push back down once wind chill decreased. I overheat easily, so constantly having to adjust for hot/cold on runs, lifts etc.
Zips are also great heat regulators - lots of zip-fronted layers (base, fleece and jacket) for me.
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under a new name wrote:
Remember wind makes a difference but wind chill is all about exposed skin and metabolic response.

Do you get a wind chill effect in your cars?


Wind chill is caused by evaporative cooling from a permiable surface like skin. More wind equals more evaporation so brrr.
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@mcspreader, no, not so much.

You feel colder in moving air 1. from evaporative cooling if you have exposed skin and the physio response to that. But presumably you don't have so much skin exposed when skiing? Face, maybe?

@Canuck, "With modern breathable clothing there will be some heat drawn out in wind" - I really don't think permeability of a waterproof membrane = lack of wind resistance.

2. from accelerated conductive cooling - if you are not insulated - again, I presume most people have some insulation and aren't skiing in a cotton t-shirt and shorts.

There have been a few comments here and elsewhere fretting and worrying about "windchill" so I am presuming some "clever" dev has recently added the figures to some forecasting bot. rolling eyes rolling eyes
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Grizzler wrote:
bum wrote:
Definitely recommend a balaclava ...
The worst situation is when you get on the chair lift in the valley and there's no wind, and it's 10 degrees warmer, so you don't bother putting on the balaclava. Then as you get near the top you realize the temperature has dropped rapidly, the wind is gale force blowing horizontally into your face...


Good trick with balaclavas is to wear them with the bottom rolled up, as a hat ( under your helmet if you wear one). No need to have over face all the time, and don't get too hot, but can be pulled down quickly in said lift or other sudden cold situation. Personally though, I prefer 2 separate buffs, one under helmet as kind of low bandana around upper face and the other under helmet strap round neck, able to pull up over face quickly or push back down once wind chill decreased. I overheat easily, so constantly having to adjust for hot/cold on runs, lifts etc.
Zips are also great heat regulators - lots of zip-fronted layers (base, fleece and jacket) for me.


Similar to me. I have a few snoods of varying thickness that I use. Keep them rolled down if its warm, but when we go up high and/or on a cold lift I can roll it up to cover mouth/cheeks/nose/ears very easily. Then when I get going again and warm up, can just pull it down on the move.
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Grizzler wrote:
Zips are also great heat regulators - lots of zip-fronted layers (base, fleece and jacket) for me.


Yup; I learned some time ago to stay away from polo necks unless there's at least a throat zip. I use a buff for the neck.

I also use my armpit zips a lot and this is now one of the main features I look for in a ski jacket. Gives me a wide range of regulation for limited luggage capacity / need to stop and strip off or put on a layer.
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Easy peesy, skied in NOrway, often drops to -20 even had -25, just make sure you have good thermals, a fleece and a ski jacket, you will be fine, its refreshing! Laughing
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Have skied -34C in Sweden and -36C in Stowe. Both with no wind to speak of. In Stowe however they were checking that you had no exposed skin on the lifts to avoid frostbite and it was really a case of one run top to bottom then in doors for a hot chocolate to warm up.
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Having erred on the safe side and invested in a balaclava, the forecast is now looking much warmer for next week! Still, I can always return it if not worn (or commit a string of burglaries).
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@polkadot,
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Having erred on the safe side and invested in a balaclava, the forecast is now looking much warmer for next week! Still, I can always return it if not worn (or commit a string of burglaries).


Wise words young promising sH and if nabbed please mention the sH forum Laughing


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-20c yesterday in Stowe, too cold for me and I had 3 base layers and a face mask!
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under a new name wrote:


Do you get a wind chill effect in your cars?


Aye - but my drivers window won't wind up Laughing Laughing
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In Winter Park a couple of years ago it was around -20 and sunny, very very cold but on clear days you can find a bit of sun or carve a few turns and generate some heat.

MrsHD suffers from cold hands and feet so boot heaters and disposable hand warmers are on stand by at all times. An unhappy wife makes for a miserable day out.
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I think it depends a lot on how dry it is (cold and wet is a very bad combination) and how windy. I don't notice much difference between -5 and -20 if it's dry with little wind. Okay maybe toes and fingers might start to get a little cold below -15, but rarely a problem if I take a warming break every couple of hours. I always wear a merino balaclava under my helmet and neck scarf at low temps. Always surprises me how many people still have their faces exposed in those conditions.

I actually feel much colder in the UK at +5 when the air is damp and I'm not dressed appropriately!
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@under a new name,
Even wearing windproof clothing the warm air layers under your shell are more vulnerable to being sucked out than the air in a car. you don't have airtight seals round your neck, cuffs, waist etc
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Was once on a French chair that registered -30 including the wind chill. It was such a blizzard that almost nobody in resort had bothered coming out of their warm hotels. The look on the face of the guy in the wooden shack,as 3 snowmen huddling into each other came over the brow - it's priceless!
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When your nostril hair or eyelashes freeze when you step outside that's too cold...


Frost in my beard is cold. Frozen nostril hair is very cold... 2" snotcicle on your nose is too cold On the plus side, being able to snap it off and throw it away is less messy than wiping it on the back of your glove. Toofy Grin
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-20 in Norway no problem. As has been said, it's the wind that's the "killer". Definitely layers and we had snoods covering our lower faces, up to our masks too (although that gets a bit steamy). Waiting for the lifts is when you get cold of course but in fairness, we never queued in either Norway or Finland so not a problem.
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I have skied in Sweden at Are when it was -24 during the day but windless. I was plenty warm enough. One day at Glenshee wearing the same kit it was -9 and blowing a gale and I felt I had no clothes on. Wind is the big factor when it comes to feeling cold.
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