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Is ski waxing dead?

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DPS skis claims that it has a one time treatment that eliminates the need for ski waxing

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dpsskis/phantom-permanent-base-glide-treatment-for-skis-an/description

at the same time Leonid Kuzmin, from the world of nordic skiing says waxing is redundant and all you need is to scrape your skis once in a while to add structure.

http://sciencenordic.com/better-skiing-without-wax

Any thoughts?
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I'm not sure I'd say "at the same time" - Kuzmin's thesis was from about 6 years ago. However, there does seem to me to be a gap between science and perception when it comes to waxing...
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I have not waxed skis in 20 years
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stanton wrote:
I have not waxed skis in 20 years


But you don't have tome to ski...... with all your posting about how poo-poo the UK is.
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snowdave wrote:
...Kuzmin's thesis was from about 6 years ago...

2006: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Leonid_Kuzmin3/publication/228536637_Investigation_of_the_most_essential_factors_influencing_ski_glide/links/586618bf08ae6eb871af41a8/Investigation-of-the-most-essential-factors-influencing-ski-glide.pdf

His work was on Nordic skis which, typically, don't get as much care as Alpine ones. My take from it is that a waxed ski will initially run faster but will soon pick up crap that sticks to the wax. After a few days this makes the waxed ski run slower.
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stanton wrote:
I have not waxed skis in 20 years


Neither have I - I always get an expert to do it for me NehNeh
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snowdave wrote:
I'm not sure I'd say "at the same time" - Kuzmin's thesis was from about 6 years ago. However, there does seem to me to be a gap between science and perception when it comes to waxing...


Just to give you an definition of the filler phrase "at the same time"

Quote:
nevertheless (used to introduce a fact that should be taken into account).
"I can't really explain it, but at the same time I'm not convinced"
synonyms: nevertheless, nonetheless, even so, however, but, still, yet, though, be that as it may, for all that, in spite of that/everything, despite that/everything, after everything, having said that, just the same, all the same, in any event, come what may, at any rate, notwithstanding, regardless, anyway, anyhow; More


In other words, Kuzmin says that both Nordic and Alpine skis need no or little treatment just scraping with a structure tool rather than a special treatment as DPS claims.
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dsoutar wrote:
stanton wrote:
I have not waxed skis in 20 years

Neither have I - I always get an expert to do it for me NehNeh

Laughing Neither have I - I switched to snowboards well before then.

Heli operators wax their skis every evening. Perhaps they know something.

The last few seasons lots of people seem to be using "structured" wax bases.

Personally if I ride at a resort I just feel the board slowing down after about three days, depending on conditions. It's not something I think about, but when I feel it, I get my board re-waxed and then I don't feel it for the next few days.

If conditions are particularly cold, then if I don't switch to cold wax, my board feels even slower than it needs to be. Wax definitely works.

I get that this is a proposed alternative... I think I'll watch the world cup guys, and when they stop waxing their boards I'll do what they do, but otherwise I'm a little sceptical.
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It seems a bit weird as they claim it will need a periodic base grind to refresh it... I've got skis ive waxed and never base ground. I think I will keep it like that.
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dsoutar wrote:
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http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=133726


Yes thanks. Not always easy to find prior threads on snowheads.
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Interesting article, although I am not buying it. Looks like a big marketing campaign by DPS, who have chucked a bunch on money at some ski magazines to write an article for them. If the benefit were really that good, I'm pretty sure the World Cup ski racers, who livlihood is based on their skis running as fast as possible, would be using this. As far as I'm aware, every major ski racer has an old school ski tech testing out a boat load of iron on waxes.

The sustainability point is a good one, but there are waxes out there which are environmentally friendly - Butta etc.
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@joeyg, Exactly.............. This is nothing more than rebranded automotive "quartz" sealant/coating. That's all that it is..........
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No doubt it will come, probably in the shape of some completely new base material, but not yet IMHO. I am sceptical about the claims made by DPS.
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Posted this over 10 years ago.

"waxing skis is a waste of time..."

http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=23940&sid=5202a76346c18e1fd0b6bfa432401591
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