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is there any benefit of having some sort of rocker when skiing bumps? i read somewhere that it can be a bit easier? most piste skis no how some sort of rocker but the question is to whether look at 5%, 10% or 15% rocker length.....

this will be on a piste performance ski.....
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More rocker the better in bumps for catch/hook-free pivoting.

You won't find a performance piste ski with rocker anywhere other than its marketing blurb though. Something like the new Salomon XDR 80 or 84 would be an ideal blend of piste and 'variables' performance though (much more fun in powder than I expected too - you have to consciously ski them rather than just let loose and rip, but apparently some people like that wink).
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thats what i thought...... i have being looking at the new atomic vantage x range, they have just come out on their website, i have had salomons ion the past but haven't being that impressed and even less with their warranty etc

i am assume that 80 is the width underfoot?.... pretty wide i am used to 71mm but like you say will hale in the variables....
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ajc2260626 wrote:
thats what i thought...... i have being looking at the new atomic vantage x range, they have just come out on their website, i have had salomons ion the past but haven't being that impressed and even less with their warranty etc

i am assume that 80 is the width underfoot?.... pretty wide i am used to 71mm but like you say will hale in the variables....


My Directors at 107ish underfoot are better in bumps than my SL skis depsite being 25cm longer and at least 40mm wider. Rocker and a bit of longitudinal flex goes a long way.
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i need these for piste performance (basi lvl 2) i have a pair of old salamon gs skis and these are far too heavy and stiff for this sort of thing (for me anyway) so am looking for something else and don't want to spend a fortune hence atomic and salomons as basi have a deal with them so they need to be about 75 underfoot and about radius of 14m i guess?
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@ajc2260626, yeah the 80 is the width. TBH the performance level isn't THAT high at BASI2 from what I understand - I think they'd do the job admirably (and being a touch softer will make the snowploughing and low speed demos easier too).
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@clarky999, i agree but i think that if you turned up on those they would throw a wobbler lol i would like something softer and light than my gs but still quite piste performer..... and cheap Very Happy hence someone who's running a deal with basi
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I thought Head Titans (or equivalent) was the standard BASI L2 ski.
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@ajc2260626, I'm no expert but have recently bought a pair of Rossignol Experience 80 HD. Bought from Snowleader for only £219. They are the 2017 model, but are exactly the same spec as the the 2018 model, except they are a different colour. From the marketing blurb, they sound as if they would meet your needs. Mainly piste, but with a 80mm width, so there's scope for fun on some off light off piste (but not deep powder). They are light. Front and tail rocker. Snowleader are based in France but it's free shipping to the UK. They came with the bindings fitted and set to the spec for my boots and are pre waxed. I'm short so went for the 160cm ones. They have a 14m radius. I've only used mine in the Chillfactore so far, but love them. Really nice light weight skis. But as I say, I'm no expert.

https://www.snowleader.co.uk/en/experience-80-hd-xpress-11-ROSS00614.html

More in depth spec here. http://www.skis.com/Rossignol-Experience-80-HD-Skis-with-Xpress-11-Bindings/445048P,default,pd.html

https://www.evo.com/outlet/ski-packages/rossignol-experience-80-hd-skis-look-express-11-bindings
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ajc2260626 wrote:
@clarky999, i agree but i think that if you turned up on those they would throw a wobbler lol i would like something softer and light than my gs but still quite piste performer..... and cheap Very Happy hence someone who's running a deal with basi


Aaah 80mm isn't fat by any stretch of the imagination! Still firmly on the piste side of the all mountain equation. They hold a solid edge with the metal construction too.

Not saying you should get them, but that category is probably the right ball park.
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@ajc2260626, I rather like skiing bumps, as a pastime, I ski on 100mm

Mind you, I would advocate 67mm SLs as an all round ski.

Slalom skis to my mind have too much grip (torsional rigidity) & sidecut to be a really nice bumps ski. Bumps skis tend to look like GS skis...
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Bit of a thread hijack sorry. I'm booked on a warren smith mogul day at cas in oct. I have 2 pairs of skis I can take. Some older Salomon xt850 at 83mm underfoot or Scott the ski at 92. I've skied the salomons in the fridge a fair bit , but never the Scott's.

Salomons are 170 , Scott 180

Thoughts? I won't even be taking the salomons to real snow so maybe the answer is there ?
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@endoman, Take the Salomons, the bumps at Castleford have always been fairly closely packed together.
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@endoman, Take the Salomons, the bumps at Castleford have always been fairly closely packed together.


Very Happy

Will be easier as I edged and waxed those last night with fridge wax and the Scott's are still covered with storage wax. Ta.
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@under a new name, like you say i want something that doesnt grip too much which is why i am staying away from an all out slalom ski.... but i think that something in about 170cm length and a radius of about 14m will be a lot better than my longer, heavier and stiffer GS salomons.....
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