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Time for a test of Snowhead knowledge.

A friend has recently started skiing, fallen in love, bought boots (including a fitting session). However he is complaining of the bottom of his feet going numb.

Any ideas what might cause it, he says it's deffo the bottom of his feet rather than toes or say simply the cold etc

thanks in advance

Paul
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Maybe get custom foot beds and maybe the boots are to narrow, good luck
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during my fitting session, I was told to not tighten the second horizontal buckle too much - an important blood vessel is located in that area and too tight boots may cause blood circulation problems.
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The bottom two buckles are only there to keep the snow out. He could be overtightening as mooney says.
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Thanks, plenty for him to try out! Knew you lot would have some answers... Cool
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MoodyFFS wrote:
Time for a test of Snowhead knowledge.

A friend has recently started skiing, fallen in love, bought boots (including a fitting session). However he is complaining of the bottom of his feet going numb.

Any ideas what might cause it, he says it's deffo the bottom of his feet rather than toes or say simply the cold etc

thanks in advance

Paul


Most likely the boots or the way they are being done up, as above.

If it is specifically the sole of the foot the nerve in question is behind the shin bone and comes around the inner side of ankle so any excess pressure in that region would make the feet numb.

Others are too tight in calves that is leading to overload of the forefoot or back trouble.

Probably the boots

Jonathan Bell
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Always had a similar problem with one foot in particular. Tried everything with specialist fitters no joy. Just have to remove boot regularly to get circulation going again etc.
What I have noticed last couple of years which I'm sure will be an age thing (56) is more frequent swelling of a the feet but only on ski trips. At worst when trip finished travelling to lower altitude at airport. Dramatic swelling on both feet, so much so that 2 years on return have seen Dr and been examined with no issues.
Personal theory is a that my feet unlike me hate skiing and ski boots, what ever tried affects circulation and a combination of temp and altitude makes foot swell and gets cramped and circulation goes on to pot and vicious circle lasts for a week! But has to be done.
I'm sure après and dehydration must have a little say in it as well.
16 sleeps to St Anton and the saga continues!! Confused
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I had a similar issue when I first got boots. Some heel raisers helped a bit but didnt solve the problem. Went to see CEM and he said tight calves was the main issue. He prescribed custom footbeds, bigger heel raisers and most importantly calf stretches. I was somewhat sceptical but there is a good article on his website that explains the biomechanics. This made a huge difference. I now ensure in the run up to every ski holiday I do plenty of calf and ankle stretches to improve ankle flexion and this seems to do the trick. Plus doing the stretches is entirely free! Very Happy
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Mosha Marc wrote:
The bottom two buckles are only there to keep the snow out. He could be overtightening as mooney says.


This!

Tell your friend to to take a look at this http://www.edgeandwax.co.uk/content/correct-way-to-buckle-ski-boots-edge-amp-wax-guides.aspx
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Overly thick socks around the soles of my feet and toes cause no end of pains. I have some old Nevica socks that have silk feet and they are excellent. Tried some Merino special ski socks no where near as good.
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I had a similar problem with boots i bought a few months ago. The guy in the shop put in better hell raisers and said to wear thinner socks as i've always used thick cheap ones and have since been ok although I've only worn them on indoor slopes so far.
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Falling in love is notoriously bad for the circulation - scientific fact.
People are too quick to blame their skiboots for all sorts of problems.
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Jonathan Bell wrote:
MoodyFFS wrote:
Time for a test of Snowhead knowledge.

A friend has recently started skiing, fallen in love, bought boots (including a fitting session). However he is complaining of the bottom of his feet going numb.

Any ideas what might cause it, he says it's deffo the bottom of his feet rather than toes or say simply the cold etc

thanks in advance

Paul


Most likely the boots or the way they are being done up, as above.

If it is specifically the sole of the foot the nerve in question is behind the shin bone and comes around the inner side of ankle so any excess pressure in that region would make the feet numb.



Others are too tight in calves that is leading to overload of the forefoot or back trouble.

Probably the boots

Jonathan Bell


Taking on what Jonathan was saying, I by chance was in my chiropodist yesterday on another matter but mentioned my tail of woe of boots and a continually numb foot. I never have the front clips very tight etc. He to mentioned about a nerve/vein which with firmly fasted ankle clips could after a while restict the circulation to the feet and cause the discomfort described by many. He has cut me out a couple of foam pads which he suggested to secure to the top of the foot and around the crook of the ankle towards the shin. Threres no way they will stay in place over socks so might have to tape somehow to foot. His theory is that the boot can be fastened firmly but will offer a slight degree of less pressure around the nerve/vein in question and so hopefully prevent the numbness and discomfort. Over the years I have tried everything with no success so I will give it a go. I think this will require me to wear thinner socks to make it comfortable. Wish me luck. Trust me if it works after my week in St Anton at the end of the month I will be shouting about it from the roof tops!! Laughing
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@Scarlet Fez, I've always suffered from this also.

What was the exact location on the ankle for the padding, how thick was the padding recommended ?

Cheers mate, like you tried about everything now
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MoodyFFS, as has been suggested, it is most likely incorrectly adjusted buckles. RichClark's site and video has it spot on.
First you need to get your foot right back on the boot: hence the heel bang and doing up the shin buckles first.
Only then do you go for the foot buckles, which should be only little finger tight - hardly tight at all.
There should be no pressure on the foot at all.

Admission: i am not a boot fitter, have no podiatric training, but do have two feet.
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Sinkrate wrote:
@Scarlet Fez, I've always suffered from this also.

What was the exact location on the ankle for the padding, how thick was the padding recommended ?

Cheers mate, like you tried about everything now


I would also be interested to hear about the recommended padding.
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i have a very high instep, narrow heel and narrow ankles and have always suffered the same issue with numb balls of my feet. i bought some foam pads called shinnies and they have transformed my skiing. I'm sure the purists wouldn't like them but i was buying pair, after pair of boots and could not get comfortable.

closed cell foam about 7mm thick, roughly 60mm x 60mm. the foam is soft though, more like gym mat than karrimat
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@skribble, thanks for the info. I take it they hold your foot back further in the boot due the shin padding?
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Jonpim wrote:
MoodyFFS, as has been suggested, it is most likely incorrectly adjusted buckles. RichClark's site and video has it spot on.
First you need to get your foot right back on the boot: hence the heel bang and doing up the shin buckles first.
Only then do you go for the foot buckles, which should be only little finger tight - hardly tight at all.
There should be no pressure on the foot at all.

Admission: i am not a boot fitter, have no podiatric training, but do have two feet.


Jon, trust me I have over the years spent hours in ski shops etc having my boots tweaked, Bartlets, Solutions for feet etc. The boots are comfortable for a while but then the numbness etc bites in and the rest is history. Last year left my boots behind thinking modern technology etc would help. Spent ages with very patient bootfitter in Kitzbuhel expalining my 'heartache' but stating I would not be able to replicate the pain, numbness for a couple of hours skiing. Three days and 4 sets of boots later realised I was better off with my old ones.
So taking my old ones back to St Anton and give this padding a go next week.
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@Scarlet Fez, which bits are you padding out if you don't mind me asking? Thanks
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skribble wrote:
i have a very high instep, narrow heel and narrow ankles and have always suffered the same issue with numb balls of my feet. i bought some foam pads called shinnies and they have transformed my skiing. I'm sure the purists wouldn't like them but i was buying pair, after pair of boots and could not get comfortable.

closed cell foam about 7mm thick, roughly 60mm x 60mm. the foam is soft though, more like gym mat than karrimat





Hi skribble, these "shinnies" you bought, are they described as ice hockey shin pads? & is the he make a company called Sidelines? If not could you let me know where I could purchase these please.

Thanks
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Eliminators look like they may do the same thing but possibly take up far too much volume in the boot ?
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When I had this it was because my shoes where too tight because I shuvved a custom insole into it.. get some that are thin and dont bulk up your shoes for examplethese are good!.
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Maybe it is because of poor blood circulation. How about wearing thermo soles for snow skiing?
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I always (and probably will always) do a 'heel bang' and then the first horizontal buckle to anchor my feet in.
I find that this anchors my heel in place better due to the flex from the vertical bits of boot... just my tuppence!
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