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| miranda wrote: |
| midgetbiker you (and others) seem to be saying it is impossible for anyone to burn in any circumstances when using P20 unless they went swimming too much or too soon. |
I don't speak for anyone else so I was simply sharing my experience. YMMV as they say. For me P20 works well for skiing and the rare occasion when I spent a lot of time in the summer sun, but I'm not extending that claim to say it's impossible to get burnt when using P20 in any situation, even if you apply the correct amount.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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rob@rar, sure, I just didn't want midgetbiker to think I was directing my confusion about P20's claims at him personally, because I wasn't at all. I'm sure snowHeads are not the only people to think it's a miracle product.
(I don't know what YMMV means, sorry).
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| miranda wrote: |
| (I don't know what YMMV means, sorry). |
Your Mileage May Vary.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I find the single application sun screens like P20 are generally better than the normal products as they don't tend to lose their effectiveness as they come off through sweating or rubbing. However, after using P20 for a number of years I switched to Ultrasun as I found P20 stains light clothing yellow whereas Ultrasun does not. Ultrasun do a number of products and for the slopes I generally use either a factor 30 or 50, apply once a day and never have an issue. And I burn very easily!
This summer I also tried a brand called The Sun Mousse. Very easy to apply and it dries quickly although I did find it could run into my eyes if I wasn't careful so I probably would keep that one for the beach.
Ultrasun, my recommendation for what it's worth 
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| worldwidewebs wrote: |
I find the single application sun screens like P20 are generally better than the normal products as they don't tend to lose their effectiveness as they come off through sweating or rubbing. However, after using P20 for a number of years I switched to Ultrasun as I found P20 stains light clothing yellow whereas Ultrasun does not. Ultrasun do a number of products and for the slopes I generally use either a factor 30 or 50, apply once a day and never have an issue. And I burn very easily!
This summer I also tried a brand called The Sun Mousse. Very easy to apply and it dries quickly although I did find it could run into my eyes if I wasn't careful so I probably would keep that one for the beach.
Ultrasun, my recommendation for what it's worth |
Ultrasun for me then.
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Then you can post your own questions or snow reports...
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| agw wrote: |
....I've got that dark hair/fair skin Celt thing going on so I'd need some convincing to come down from SPF 30 or 50.
Don't most sunscreens protect from both UVA and UVB these days? |
My wife has the dark hair blue skin celtish thing too (welsh hill pony  ) She even managed to get sunstroke in Wales as a teenager!
Sadly, she also has had low level skin cancer growths surgically removed.
Basal Cell Carcinoma http://www.skincancer.org/skin-cancer-information/basal-cell-carcinoma
and a couple of
Squamous Cell Carcinomas http://www.skincancer.org/skin-cancer-information/squamous-cell-carcinoma
She is also stubborn and stupid! So even in the face of these issues, she insists on summer sunny holidays (we have regular arguments about how selfish this is to the family and what happens when she gets her first Melanoma!).
The skin damage was done as a youngster, but the progress of the disease has definitely been slowed by regular applications of P20 (2 per day).
This summer, I used P20 for the first time.... 10 days spent lying in the sun in Portugal, and I came back as white as the day I flew out there! She got a slight rose tint to her normal blue skin (which shows how UV susceptible she is).
It is a very effective block, and I recommend it to anyone that wants to block out the sun.
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After all it is free 
After all it is free
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| miranda wrote: |
| midgetbiker you (and others) seem to be saying it is impossible for anyone to burn in any circumstances when using P20 unless they went swimming too much or too soon. |
I don't speak for anyone else so I was simply sharing my experience. YMMV as they say. For me P20 works well for skiing and the rare occasion when I spent a lot of time in the summer sun, but I'm not extending that claim to say it's impossible to get burnt when using P20 in any situation, even if you apply the correct amount. |
miranda no, sorry if it comes over that way, I don't intend anyone to think that P20 is a total block for an indefinite period.
Everybody's skin is different, circumstances of use vary. If I was on a boat in the Thai sun for the day (mmm... nice thought) I would be wearing a UV protective rash vest and swim shorts, with only the relatively 'toughened' parts exposed (face, forearms, pate, lower legs).
My personal experience is that I can spend 8 hrs at 3000m+ sweating on a glacier in April sun with my shaved head exposed if I use one application of P20. I can also do the same on an August walk at 2000m+ in the strongest the alpine sun can throw at me. For a point of reference, whilst my pate (etc) has definitely toughened up over the last few years due to exactly these kind of activities, I still consider myself sun sensitive and would not venture out for an hour in the UK on a sunny day without some form of defence.
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worldwidewebs, I agree also on Ultrasun products being better on clothes than P20, but we dont use the factor 20 on faces as it does sting like crazy if it gets in your eyes. I get a good tan easy, but can burn, my wife is a red head and without ultrasun burns very easily, with Ultrasun the freckles join up, more importantly she can spend some time in the sun in the summer months. John Lewis stock some of their range, its also available direct from their website, have just looked at it, and they have a specific face range in factor 30 and 50, its not the cheapest product, but for me money well spent in avoiding getting burnt and potential long term skin health issues, in reality its about the same cost as 4 beers in a resort. http://www.ultrasun.co.uk/products. Can also recomend Hawaiian Tropic No more oily faces which is factor 30, I work outside and use this most days to protect face and ever developing penalty spot 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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A few years ago opaque neon coloured sun creams were popular. One guy in our chalet, on the last day of his holiday, wrote S and H and I and finally T on his forehead in pretty neon colours before going out. That evening his tanned and untanned facial areas were very different. I am sure the tan was still visible when he went t work two days later.
Be careful with your skin and eyes. The sun is very strong in the ski resorts.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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This stuff is what you need: http://www.prosportsunscreen.co.uk/. I was previously a devotee of P20, but this goes on like normal sun cream and doesn't dye everything yellow while still lasting all day. I mostly use it when windsurfing and have never ever burnt with it on, even in Spain in the middle of summer. It even moisturises! Not sure why they haven't yet conquered the world, it's so much better than the usual stuff you get in Boots. You can get it through various sports stores online and it comes in 3 different strengths - factor 15, 35 and 44. And there's a lip balm as well.
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