The 14 din version will also be made. Both to have the latest design dual action toepieces. The 18's toe piece is all metal, not sure re the 14's. Available with proper wide brakes as well! Rumour has it that only limited quantites will be made with very few coming to the UK so you'll need to act quickly. Expect prices to be high.
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Quoted (by a UK dealer) £240 for the DIN 14 model when I asked last week.
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buckers, They must have redesigned the turntable base, brakes are not removable on the old ones.
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Then I fear Arno, you will be stuck with those for a while, what with the ever expanding waistline of skis.
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rjs wrote:
.......brakes are not removable on the old ones.
Not strictly true as I've removed a few to vice'n'pipe 'em. It's a ba$tard of a job though & you have to bend the locking tabs on the base plate to do it.
The word on TGR is that this new batch have been made from the original tooling so that would mean no redesign so best to order them with the widest brakes.
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I've bent the arms to fit a 95mm ski and a 114mm ski with no problems. What's the problem?
But there doesn't seem to be any mention of the new FKS anymore. There have been all kinds of rumours flying around at newschoolers however.
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smokeyjack2000, we probably crashed their email with people asking where and when they'd be available. Either that, or this is the most horrible prank in skiing history.
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buckers wrote:
smokeyjack2000, we probably crashed their email with people asking where and when they'd be available. Either that, or this is the most horrible prank in skiing history.
I'm hoping that it was some weird marketing ploy. Look have known for years that many people want this binding brought back. Best way to test the market? Stick it on a website and see how much traffic it gets. The point has been proven, skiers want the turntable. I think we'll see a limited re-release this year and a bigger full come back next year - with a better announcement this time - there was a typo on the original page on the Rossi site.
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I've been talking to Rossignol today & my plan is to offer a group buy deal to snowHeads. Watch this space.
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
buckers wrote:
Then I fear Arno, you will be stuck with those for a while, what with the ever expanding waistline of skis.
I've been talking to Rossignol today & my plan is to offer a group buy deal to snowHeads. Watch this space.
nice one!
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Group Buy Deal = a bunch of you get together & place a bulk order with me for which you'd receive a special price. Payment is required with your order which allows me to get better terms as I can pay on proforma. Pre-selling a proportion of a stock order takes a lot of the risk out of placing such orders (especially on high value items like this) so in return for that & the increased turnover I reduce my margin. It's a win win deal.
However you don't actually have to go & canvass for others to buy with you as I'll effectively do that for you posting a 'Group Buy Rossi Turntable Bindings' thread which will offer the deal based upon the receipt of orders & payment by a cut-off date.
I did this last year for Marker's new Duke/Baron bindings when, IIRC, orders & payment had to be in by the end of Sept for bindings which were shipped mid/end Nov. I pre-sold 11 pairs of specially discounted bindings to snowHeads out of a stock order of 20. I also did a group buy deal on base repair pistols earlier this year.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
You all seem very taken by the turntable bindings can you tell me what their advantage is
And how do they compare to Vist binding and how do their compare to bindings that may come with skis you buy
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Glen Charman wrote:
You all seem very taken by the turntable bindings can you tell me what their advantage is
And how do they compare to Vist binding and how do their compare to bindings that may come with skis you buy
Glen Charman, the FKS18 turntable bindings were/are revered because:
1. The turntable function of the heelpiece (as opposed to the toe piece) directly under the knee which greatly reduces the leverage applied to the knee during excessive loads. This especially gives very good protection against slower twisting rearward falls which is were a high din user would be vulnerable.
2. The toe piece & pivoting heelpiece has a very large range of travel (AFAIK the widest on the market) so will keep the boot in the binding for longer before pulling the boot back in which allows a lower din to be used.
3. When it does release, it gives a very smooth consistent release, especially for a high din binding.
4. Toe piece had no vertical release which big huckers & jibbers prefer.
5. Full metal bomb proof construction.
6. Relatively light weight for a full metal high din binding.
7. Very compact footprint to heel & toe base plates to minimise affect on the flex on the ski.
8. Because the heel can move in conjunction with the toe of the binding the Pivot design reduces or possibly eliminates inadvertent release due to sheer loads (lateral shock that is neither twist at the toe or heel).
9. The large 'cam locking' phallic heelpiece lever (as used on all Look’s/Rossi’s better models since) made it very easy to step in to in deep snow.
10. They're believed to give the best feel/feedback from the ski of any binding on the market.
The FKS14’s were basically the same but had lighter weight but less durable plastic toe wings (but no less durable than any other similar binding) & a vertical release function in the toe piece.
Problems with the turntable's were/are:
1. Fiddly forward pressure adjustment (problem for the average shop numpty)
2. Not a step-in design & can be fiddly to boot-in. No positive 'click'
3. No vertical release function in the 18 din toe piece (desirable for us mere mortals)
4. Non removable standard width brake arms (well not removable without major surgery)
5. Limited boot length adjustment of 5mm either side of it’s mid-point setting.
It is assumed that production was ceased due to the cost of the heelpiece but other factors such as the belief at the time that all bindings in the future would be rail mounted systems probably didn’t help – there was no large park/big mountain/freeride ski market at the time. Rumour also has it that the original tooling had had it’s day.
Anyways the FKS was dropped & Look/Rossi increased the functionality of the toe piece allowing a conventional heelpiece design to be used under the PX/Axial name which is very similar to that of all other makers. Was there a sudden rise in knee injuries after the turntables were superceded? No, so the jury is still out as to whether they’re actually a safer design but the user’s of them still swear by ‘em for their other features hence their highly inflated secondhand value.
If the turntables are to be re-issued then their original benefits/short comings will remain apart from the fact that the new ones will be available with wide brakes.
How do the turntables compare to the Vist’s (I sell Vist’s so I have to declare my interests here)?:
Vist 412’s, 614’s, 816’s & 1018’s are all all-metal bindings so you can have equal bomb proof construction but at lower din ranges. Vist have a very wide range of interchangeable brake widths. Vist toe piece design is fully functional in all directions but the vertical toe release can be blocked off if you’re a serious hucker/jibber/racer. Vist’s forward pressure adjust is very precise. Vist bindings are approx 250-300g heavier per pair than turntables with equal width brakes. Vist have a very wide range of colour options. Delta angle of the Vist’s is 5mm & AFAIK the new turntable is zero. Vist has 12mm of boot length adjustment either side of it’s mid-point setting. The Vist has a true step-in heel piece which has a good click to it it however it is still easy to raise the lever by hand in deep snow but it's not as easy as the Look/Rossi design.
This list puts the Vist’s way ahead however I’m not sure what the exact range of elastic travel there is on the turntables versus the Vist’s but I’m sure that it will be noticeably greater on the turntable’s. And the Vist’s don’t have a 'turntable' heelpiece. These are the two main features that it’s fans like & crave for & is why I hope to secure a supply of them.
Prices on the new turntables aren’t yet known but they won’t be cheap, considerably dearer than the Vist’s or the other full metal designs from the other makers. The new turntables will certainly be in the niche market category for performance & price.
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After all it is free
So they'll be status symbol Expect orders from the Spyder crowd.
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achilles, status symbol my back bottom, without a positive 'click' I have to undo mine by hand and end up tits over back bottom in the snow. Not impressed. I think you need to be a super skier to notice the difference!
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achilles, I love my P14, my old FKS and a long time ago the Look Z9 Forza, great bindings if you get used to the lack of click. The racing versions are bomber and a lot lighter than the other full-metal bindings. I still prefer the chunkiness of the top-end Salomons for racing/piste but they're a heck of a lot heavier than the Looks/Rossis.
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spyderjon, Thanks for all the info I now know a lot more about binding than I did. next time I need binding I think I'll get Vist binding as I defiantly a mere mortal
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Good sales job spyderjon To be fair the Vist bindings do look and feel superb and should be a great choice.
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Look were always a problem in deep snow... or more of a problem... IIRC
I thought they were probably more sensitive because of the turntable so DIN settings maybe needed to be more precise..
I'd probably consider them as Binding options along with Visp...but all bindings do the job if configured correctly..
I am not sure anyone turns their nose up at bindings on a ski so much these days... As long as they don't break and release when they are supposed to, then all are much of a muchness to me,...
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You know it makes sense.
JT wrote:
As long as they don't break and release when they are supposed to
But finding bindings that do this, especially if you ski at speed or in variable conditions and lumpy/hard snow is quite difficult. A number of binding manufacturers have moved away from tried and tested designs of the past in order to cut costs by using cheaper materials. Salomon have almost completely retired their Driver toe range (and you have to go through special channels to get the metal toe/heels) for what looks to be a successor to the Quadrax range. Same with Look and the pivot/TT heel.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Bump.
spyderjon, any word on when these might be hitting the shelves?
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I ski P14s/916s, definitely pleased that I won't have to rely on TGR's horded supply if a turntable dies I disagree with turntables being easier to click into in pow though - with there being no positive click, snow creeps in again under the heel etc. 916s clip in with such a massive "click" it sounds like someone's being shot. Pretty much why I have them on my pow skis and turntables on everything else
I've definitely felt the elasticity of a dodgy save too - I go for turntables on everything else because their release range feels "right".
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buckers, As of a week ago Rossi UK were still waiting for news from the factory but they're on my list to chase on Monday. I've asked for 20 pairs.
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Not impressed. I think you need to be a super skier to notice the difference!
To be fair the Vist bindings do look and feel superb and should be a great choice.
I disagree with turntables being easier to click into in pow though - with there being no positive click, snow creeps in again under the heel etc. 916s clip in with such a massive "click" it sounds like someone's being shot. Pretty much why I have them on my pow skis and turntables on everything else 
