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Poster: A snowHead
Fri 14-07-17 18:42
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I note from the obituary that Mr. McCusker was a 'Celtic fan'. He was also a rugby player. I would have thought a Glasgow 'Rangers fan' might be a more likely fit with SCGB.
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Fri 14-07-17 18:37
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Campaigning ? Journalism ? I am not sure who first mentioned journalism in regards to DG's post. DG, as you are no doubt aware, has an ongoing quest to uncover more information about the SCGB.
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Fri 14-07-17 12:10
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I always thought journalism was about letting people know the answers to the key questions on an issue and publishing a succinct analysis so people could understand what was going on. Maybe it is about raising issues in the first place and then tenaciously drawing the facts out?
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Mon 22-05-17 20:55
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I don't really understand what the SCGB is now beyond a glorified holiday company with some staff who happen to be paid only in perks An interesting take. Those staff have to spend thousands to get the role where they are 'only paid in perks" though. I wonder how long this business model will continue?
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Sun 21-05-17 18:55
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The SCGB: how many members does it have? This comes back to what you previously said is a feature of a (good?) club - openness and transparency. However attempts by you to get a breakdown of these figures have been countered with the suggestion that such questions are either impertinent and somehow disloyal, or that those numbers are commercially sensitive. So I don't see the SCGB being more forthcoming in future. That's just laughable. Goldsmith has been claiming for years that the SCGB's membership figures are fraudulent. A serious charge, given that these figures are used to secure advertising revenue. Hmmm. I think it was more a question of DG looking to drill down into the headline membership figures and see what they revealed. Of course if the figures are used to secure advertising revenue SCGB may be reluctant to 'undermine' them. For example splitting out members who pay no fee and members who pay a reduced free from standard full price memberships. They seem to me to be appropriate questions for an AGM. Ad hominem attacks are not really a satisfactory answer. DG is clearly one of the awkward squad and I don't think he would deny that. However, good clubs should be able to handle that and not just close someone down if they venture off script. More proof that such questions are seen as impertinent, bad form, disloyal.
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Sun 21-05-17 18:38
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@Gerry You are the sole reason I would not consider using the scgb. Unlikely that you would need to be in contact with any one individual if you were an SCGB member. I would be more concerned with the diminished role of the reps/leaders/ambassadors myself.
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Sun 21-05-17 13:46
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The SCGB: how many members does it have? This comes back to what you previously said is a feature of a (good?) club - openness and transparency. However attempts by you to get a breakdown of these figures have been countered with the suggestion that such questions are either impertinent and somehow disloyal, or that those numbers are commercially sensitive. So I don't see the SCGB being more forthcoming in future. It does make me see SCGB more as a commercial enterprise rather than a club. The management-speak in the club announcements does not help. There are other ski clubs that are more hands-on and seem to do things, rather than offer discounts or niche package holidays. The BBC had a ski club that used to visit various dry slopes in and around the capital and organise informal ski trips as well. I went along to some of the dry slope events as we had friends at the BBC. It seemed more like a traditional club to me.
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Thu 18-05-17 17:37
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@richjp, McCusker is certainly not 'the big yin'.
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Thu 18-05-17 17:31
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What is a 'club'? People say SCGB offers good insurance. Others say it offers good discounts. All very nice, but not in themselves enough to constitute what I regard as a club. How very true. It begins and ends with open communication, trust, goodwill and common endeavour. Unfortunately, an awful long time ago (we're probably talking a good 40-50 years ago) the Ski Club of Great Britain got taken over by a 'club within a club' ! Maybe there is a claque in operation, as in some 19th century opera houses? Failure to pay up or mollify the claque results in "harrumph', 'boo!' Etc. Pay up and you get 'bravo!', 'bravo'', 'splendid chap!' Etc. Maybe you missed a trick? I take your points about what makes a club. 'Common endeavour' seems an obvious one. If you are paying for professional guides it seems to me you are more of a customer than anything else. I cannot see how one can claim traditional clubs are history though. Most amateur sports clubs are, by nature, traditional.
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Thu 18-05-17 17:09
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The theory that the club was run for the benefit of the reps, who got paid holidays out of it, does not seem to hold water now either - if it ever did. Not much good being in a ski resort if you are not free to ski. 'Ambassadors' or whatever they are called now seem to have other duties that impinge on skiing time. You maybe need to look into this George. I think you'll find that the SCGB is certainly run by the reps (leaders/ambassadors) and other officials for mutual great benefits of expenses-paid all-day skiing ... with very little attention to any cost-benefit analysis of this expenditure. I'm not sure what other duties you imagine the reps perform nowadays. When the SCGB cared about its relevance to the British skiing public it focused on recruiting new members in ski resorts and organising ski proficiency tests for children and adults. It was highly valued by resorts for generating custom, goodwill, positive use of the ski slopes and general value to skiing. And all these services were run on a very tight cost-controlled ba Essentially the proof is always in the yearly membership statistics, so long as they are the genuine figures of paid subscriptions. I don't think we've seen this data for about 5 years. More about this later. My own hunch is the future is 'managed decline'. Then full transformation into a niche holiday company. Or maybe the acquisition of further small ski companies to create a bigger presence in the travel industry https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/news/ski-club-of-great-britain-makes-acquisition-8452 I am still not sure how this acquisition benefits the average ski club member though. To employ a very expensive executive team to 'manage decline' would be - and is - outrageous. 60 years ago the SCGB engaged a very efficient and cost-effective team to manage success and growth. It's all there in the annual reports and membership growth statistics from the post-WW2 period. As for the Freshtracks (and now Mountain Tracks) programmes, these are fine if they represent great value and quality. How many of the (stated) 29,000 SCGB members took these holidays last winter? I have a Tesco clubcard; but I do not regard Tesco as a club. I certainly remember ski club reps actively trying to recruit new members. However, I have not seen that happening in many a year. I know people who have joined, but not people who have been recruited by a club rep. So I will give you that point. I will also give you the point about detailed cost benefit analysis. However, the cost of becoming a rep and attending a reps course is several thousand pounds. Was this always the case? I don't know. Maybe the club offsets recruitment losses with benefits from what it takes in on reps course fees. I don't know. Of course, if there is nobody asking awkward questions we will never know. We never knew even when the questions were being asked! Certainly with reps no longer leading groups in France there is less of a hands on involvement than in previous years. Tour operator guides used to offer guiding for free in previous years. In Wengen the tour operator groups met up with the ski club rep and Downhill Only rep and there were at least recruitment opportunities via this. Snow reports are completely irrelevant now. We can get them more quickly and often with video cameras via the internet. A local can now tell us 'the best snow is on the upper slopes.' SCGB certainly seems less of an active club to me. Maybe that is the big defining element that I feel is missing. As regards decline, sixty years ago skier profiles were very different. I just feel there is a lot of movement between the club and the travel industry. Wee Frank had a travel industry background before he became CEO and Caroline Double-Barrel stated that she was looking for work within the snowsports industry when she left. Were CEOs before these enthusiastic amateurs or did they too have travel, snowsports backgrounds?
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Wed 17-05-17 23:22
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The potential member will no longer have reps to guide them around the slopes. Admittedly the club can employ others to do this, but members will pay an extra cost for this. Temptation may be to cut out the middleman. The 'middleman' in this case is subsidising the cost and arranging for other people of similar ability to join. Cutting out the 'middleman' in your example will actually add cost and that cost could be big if you struggle to get others to go. . What is a 'club'? People say SCGB offers good insurance. Others say it offers good discounts. All very nice, but not in themselves enough to constitute what I regard as a club. Snowheads is not really a club. It is an Internet forum with a subset of posters who go on holidays together. However, Snowheads seems a bit more lively than SCGB - although they are really chalk and cheese. Snowheads has no membership fees of course. No AGMs. Less formality. Another point I notice on SCGB announcements is a tendency for Wee Frank to use the terms 'members' and 'customers' as if they are interchangeable. Rather in the way the railways started referring to passengers as 'customers'. That usually did not turn out well for those formerly called passengers. It also makes me think SCGB is more likely to become a travel company in due course. Those same SCGB announcements are usually filled with vague sentences and platitudes rather than clarity For example :- "I believe our winter programme ideally complements Ski Club Freshtracks’s and gives us the opportunity to offer our customers new adventures both in summer and winter.”
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Wed 17-05-17 15:08
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Or maybe the acquisition of further small ski companies to create a bigger presence in the travel industry https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/news/ski-club-of-great-britain-makes-acquisition-8452 I am still not sure how this acquisition benefits the average scgb member though.
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Wed 17-05-17 14:44
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This is all very well, but what exactly is the strategy for the Ski Club of Great Britain right now, based on its own (rather than Facebook's) resources? Hopefully not asset-stripping (which is a potential result of the sale of the Wimbledon HQ) and further decline. A good question. I am not sure you will ever get an answer though. The potential member will no longer have reps to guide them around the slopes. Admittedly the club can employ others to do this, but members will pay an extra cost for this. Temptation may be to cut out the middleman. Existing members may well stay because they are comfortable with what the club offers and are prepared to pay extra if necessary. Age profiles and churn figures may be interesting to see. The theory that the club was run for the benefit of the reps, who got paid holidays out of it, does not seem to hold water now either - if it ever did. Not much good being in a ski resort if you are not free to ski. 'Ambassadors' or whatever they are called now seem to have other duties that impinge on skiing time. The theory that club is there to fund British competitive skiers is not convincing. Even if they do help some athletes financially on occasion. My own hunch is the future is 'managed decline'. Then full transformation into a niche holiday company.
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Mon 15-05-17 18:20
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@achilles, He might disagree with you on that one as well. Either way, DG was definitely a member of the SCGB at one time and made appearances at AGMs. So picture a scene in the past if that helps.....
Poster: A snowHead
Mon 15-05-17 17:39
Replies: 4963
Anyway, you sound like an back bottom and the club is better off without you, imo. Not that you were ever going to join anyway, as is clear from your previous comments. Picture the scene at the Ski Club AGM when DG gets up to ask detailed questions about reps expenses, the club's policies/spend on green issues, the nitty gritty of the annual accounts. Remember this quote above is from one of the under 50s. The over 50s might well be thinking 'is the bar open yet?' 'Propose we move directly to any other business' 'Seconded' Harrumph!!
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Mon 15-05-17 17:13
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@Digger the dinosaur, Harrumph!!!
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Sun 14-05-17 14:20
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A change of fortunes over the decades for a club that once owned premises with a bar in Eaton Square and is now reduced to renting a headquarters building in Zone 3. I suppose that mirrors the situation where Knightsbridge and Belgravia no longer count well-heeled Brits as their main residents and rely more on new money from the Middle East, Russia etc. With the change in scope of SCGB reps/leaders I wonder what further implications this will have. Will many still volunteer for this role? Is a rep/leaders course still viable? Will club members mostly be interested in Fresh Tracks holidays, now that reps/leaders are heavily constrained as to what they can offer?
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Fri 10-03-17 18:46
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and the Buffet at Harveys/Harrahs is of course deluxe casino buffet. Maybe, but I am still put in mind of that Dom Joly TV programme with a line of very fat people queuing outside an 'as much as you can eat' restaurant holding plates the size of dustbin lids.
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Fri 24-02-17 19:12
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/24/venezuela-denounces-france-for-treat-worlds-worst-skier.html Up there with Eric the Eel and Eddie the Eagle in the sports failure leagues.
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Wed 22-02-17 16:15
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January used to be the cheap and snow-sure month. When I late booked I would first book a weeks leave from work and then see what was available. The best week gradually crept up to the third week in January. February never had great interest because of half term prices. However, March and April were always in contention. Tignes used to open 365 days a year. Getting there might not make you think of skiing, but I remember thinking what a shame it was that Crystal ended their season at the resort after the end of April. We left as it was snowing and looking great. Now that I do not automatically look for high resorts my season has shrunk. If I was minded to go to North America again it might lengthen.
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Wed 15-02-17 13:57
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Done Cortina and Zermatt. Not really comparable; enjoyed both. Matterhorn and mountain restaurants make Zermatt special. In Dolomites you get the chance to be dragged along the flat bits by horses.
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Sat 7-01-17 17:25
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Traditionalists don't do Facebook....
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Sat 31-12-16 0:41
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Davos. Decent area. Snow is better than St. Moritz. World Economic Forum is held there every year because those types know they will get well looked after in the local hotels. Other conference freeloaders and tax dodgers also choose it.
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Fri 9-12-16 20:22
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Comedy Goldsmith will sort them out for you.
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Mon 14-11-16 19:32
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Wife takes lift down? Santons is a blue. Not sure what your issue with it is.
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Thu 27-10-16 16:51
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Nice pub. But it does not look to be situated in a dangerous spot now. There is a tunnel between it and the cliff. Brewers Arms is another nice Lewes pub. Bonfire night in Lewes could be interesting. Also Glyndebourne is just down the road.
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Thu 6-10-16 16:24
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If sterling exchange rate improves in 2018 there may be a return of U.K skiers who give 2017 a miss. It could be structural though as with golf. I am surprised football and subscription TV continue to do so well.
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Thu 6-10-16 15:32
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Demand for skiing will be affected by price elasticity. Many ordinary punters will not bother if skiing is perceived as too expensive or something else seems a better way to spend money. Sports popularity ebbs and flows. Look at the number of golf courses that are struggling to survive. Some shrinkage in the ski market in the UK is highly probable.
Poster: A snowHead
Thu 6-10-16 15:25
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A member of the awkward squad can provide useful feedback. Otherwise people might believe that La Rosiere was without doubt the best ski resort in the whole world on any reckoning you choose. People might also pay for their kids to go on school holidays organised by dodgy individuals with countless county court judgements against them. I am sure this outfit is OK, but there is no harm in asking questions and the proprietor seems happy enough to answer them, so not sure why others are getting upset on his behalf.
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Fri 22-07-16 21:44
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Any odds on SCGB reaching 2021 in its current format?
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Fri 22-07-16 20:04
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Is this a precursor to the club becoming a niche holiday company? Becoming? Totally Freshtracks focused, as opposed to incorporated in the traditional club format that Mr. G. held dear. Of course, members still have membership rights. Getting around those to become fully profit-focused is another issue. Asset stripping may be another alternative.
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Wed 20-07-16 19:52
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Any theories as to why Wimbledon club house is being flogged? It was handy for the annual meeting but did not get much use from most ordinary members. Is the club short of funds? Is this a precursor to the club becoming a niche holiday company?
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Wed 24-02-16 20:59
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It is best to stay in Midvale, the suburb of SLC where the ski buses to Cottonwood Canyons start. You have access to "downtown" on TRAX light rail but Midvale itself has plenty of eating places etc. Park City snow is not as good as Cottonwood Canyons. Brighton is a nice smaller resort preferable to Solitude in my opinion. If there is a big dump of snow the roads to canyons may get blocked but there is a massive premium to pay for accommodation at Alta itself.
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Thu 15-10-15 11:00
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Fresh tracks income is more than twice the take from subscriptions. 'Ski and board' costs more than either Freshtracks or the Leader service. That is if you exclude "support costs". Difficult to know how those costs would be allocated across the various services. I would have said the leader services were more important than the magazine though.
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Thu 15-10-15 10:53
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I'll have another go at re-joining and will report back. No one can deny the Skeeb's enthusiasm to have me back as a member! Classic! :D :D :D
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Thu 6-08-15 18:40
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^ what he/she said. It is nice to have a printed list of prices early on. But if the operators are not prepared to offer one then **** 'em.
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Thu 6-08-15 13:04
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I think the function of a brochure has changed and in all fairness I doubt they will exist much longer. TOs are having to adapt to constantly changing prices, currency fluctuations, accommodation/resort/flight availability. Printing a fixed set of prices up to 9 months in advance is no longer feasible. They are not holding back information, this is simply how the holiday market has evolved in the digital age. Do you expect to see the same prices every time you look at flights on easyjet.com and hotels on booking.com? TOs have to respond to this level of price flexibility to stay competitive. I would expect information to enable me to compare and contrast across a range of options. That could be published in an additional pamphlet if change is an issue. Without this, I am inclined to see what the weather is a like a week or two before I want to go and then see what is available. The printed guide without detailed prices is completely useless to me. The option to find a specific price is there on the net; but I have not got all day to find all prices for everything that might be of interest.
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Wed 5-08-15 19:35
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Nobody seems to have much problem with the price structure for easyjet flights or the car ferry to the Pisle of Schite. You can't get a brochure with those prices, either. Price is simple to calculate with examples above. Add ons are known and cheap dates clear. Sale dates are well announced. Holiday package has all sorts of additional costs. If a package price is not easily available more people will hold off booking with the tour operator, or use the required net search to build themselves an independent holiday instead. Holding back information is a double edge sword too.
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Wed 5-08-15 12:18
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hardly worth it nowadays as all the prices are online - it was the same last year when I settled down on the sofa with a selection of brochures but found I wasn't able to compare prices "Worth it" to who? Saves money on brochure production for companies it is true. Definitely "worth it" for customers to easily compare prices though. There have been posts about Crystal encouraging early bookings then offering lower prices shortly after; with no comeback to early bookers. Lack of price information will only encourage me to wait longer before booking. Not going to buy a pig in a poke.
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Wed 5-08-15 12:07
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