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Poster: A snowHead
Wed 18-04-18 23:42
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@Rogerdodger, lots of old cablecars around, they have to be replaced when they wear out and from what I've seen certainly in the past it was often easier to sell / give them away to locals for garden structures rather than transport them, the Swiss however are seriously into recycling which might be why the ones from Wengen were airlifted away. I always thought the modern ones would make great little by the piste bars.
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Wed 18-04-18 23:38
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@Alastair Pink, It's either first or second, they were identical near as makes no difference as were third and fourth, I'm pretty sure there was another one somewhere that I've walked past maybe towards Innerwengen the earlier ones were quite a bit smaller than the latter, the srange thing is that the early cable cars had a lot more cables which I assume is down to more modern technology P.S The cablecars were originally a fire engine red colour so I assume this garden one has been repainted
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Wed 18-04-18 17:02
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The Wengen Mannlichen and Grindelwald Grund Mannlichen operate jointly (which is why the Mannlichen lifts shut on the same day) the V Bahn is being developed along with WAB, JB and BOB in an effort to maximise the number of visits to Jungfraujoch and at the same time replace the GGM which is actually past its use by date One bit of good news is that the Holenstein Middle Station on the GGM will remain enabling longer runs at the start or end of the season when snow to Grund may not be sufficient The cabins of the WM are being replaced and updated basically as part of routine maintenance I think these will be the 5th set of cabins since the 1950's when the first cablecar was installed, it should only be the 4th set but one car was destroyed by the avalanche that caused the bottom station to be moved from near the Park Hotel to its current location, the new ones will have an exterior balcony on the roof with a spiral staircase access from inside, I understand this will be summer use only and that the interior staircase will be removed in winter to ensure normal sardine like packing of skiers
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Sun 1-04-18 21:56
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@telford_mike, Hotels in Wengen that have Been converted to appartments Bristol Shweizerhof Schweizerheim Eden Eiger Hirschen (used to have really great food) Not sure how long the Brunner will last Silberhorn has partially converted roughly 1/3 to 1/2 of it rooms to appartments Alpenruhe Kulm is I think still up for sale And years ago the Kreuz was burnt down in an insurance Fraud and is now the site of more apartments ,that also had incredibly good food :-(
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Sun 1-04-18 21:45
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Have to say this is the heaviest snowfall I can remember for this time of year, normally by the start of April we expect it to be only skiable as far as Allmend then train down, all of Grindelwald side is I believe scheduled to shut from Tuesday ,the DHO shuts up shop for the Season at the end of this week, the Kleine Scheidegg area will continue to operate until Sunday the 15th and Murren will run till the 22nd both with limited operation of lifts, annoyingly Mannlichen lifts are run by Grindelwald and so despite great conditions will be shut from Tuesday
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Sat 24-03-18 20:17
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Wengen is the better choice, you can get a taxi from the station to your self clattering accommodation if you need to, many apartments are within a short walk of the station, but if there has been recent snow the road may be slippery and a short taxi ride is easier, some of the apartments located up hill from the station are even ski in ski out, whilst others can be reached within a snowballs throw of the piste. The parking in Lauterbrunnen multi story car park has lift access to the station, you can go completely undercover from car to train. I'm not a huge fan of Lauterbrunnen as a place to stay, in the Winter the high sides of the valley mean that you only get a couple of hours of good sunlight in the middle of the day, that said being in Lauterbrunnen makes it easier to also visit Murren.
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Mon 5-02-18 15:33
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@buchanan101, Apple Fritters at Brandegg are well worth trying after a lovely run down from Kleine Scheidegg, Brandegg does not get the sun on its terrasse until later in the afternoon, of it's cold go inside to the back of the restaurant and have table service rather than self service, prices are pretty much the same and you don't have everyone constantly coming in and out around you.
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Mon 5-02-18 14:18
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@buchanan101, makes little difference if you are early say pre 9am when the queue at the Mannlichen cable car is small, post 9am until 11am stay on the train On days with heavy snow the Mannlichen with its lack of trees is just white, best runs are Kleine Scheidegg to Grund (Blue Run 22) or Wengeneralp back to Wengen (Via Innerwengen) both involve lots of tree skiing which helps so much with visibility going via innerwengen saves the walk between the bottom of bumps and Allmend (not the whole distance between the two) which is inevitable with new unpisted snow on the ground and likely with even hardpack. In good weather the Mannlichen offers lovely skiing and great scenery, the Lauberhorn can be lovely but is often crowded especially at weekends go up early or take an early lunch and go up when everyone else is lunching. Nice runs in the punchbowl area from Eigergletscher down to Argven under the Easyjet chairlift (Eigernordwand real name) can be cold first thing in the morning, but great area after fresh powder snow, After Heavy snow avoid the Black Oh God run from Eigergletscher down to the Wixi Chair, it will almost always be closed until they piste it as it is prone to sliding, great however if there has just been light snow. Murren is a good spot to go at weekends, the locals tend to drive to Grindelwald where there's more parking than Lauterbrunnen which makes the slopes ether side of Grindelwald busier than Murren
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Mon 5-02-18 13:53
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Worst that ever happened to me was doing a tree run, one ski went under tree root other carried on, a nasty sprained ankle was the result but it coul have been so much worse. Worst I know of was a fellow hotel guest skiing back onto piste in a white out, apparently slammed into piste marker pole at speed (why he was going at speed in a whiteout I never discovered) fractured skull, concussion, broken ribs, broken hip, broken leg, he survived but had quite a hospital stay
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Sat 3-02-18 16:41
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@telford_mike, many a time I have turned left just before the chalet with the red shutters, cold and raining here today on the sunny South Coast :( 40 years ago there was a nice little drag lift that went from just below the road below that slope across the road and up the hill to a spot near where you took that picture, this is back in the day when ski school did technique in the morning in the village and went op the mountain in the afternoon, classes 5 & 6 used the steeper brunner slopes, those of us who could summon the courage would use a lottle hill at the bottom to jump the road, those with more courage than me would jump the road when one of the little flat electric trolleys was on the road
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Sat 3-02-18 12:45
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The reservoirs can have water pumped up to them from lower down. Telegraph field was I think removed as a run because a lot of it was basically just along a very similar parallel route to the other red run with a slightly different end to come down to Innerwengen, in the old days when pistes were only the width of a piste basher or two it made sense to have more pistes now they do the whole slope, Mannlichen used to have more pistes, including a black that went down the old race track and came out near the Larger chair, now it's almost pisted from one side to the other. It is possible to ski the front face of the Mannlichen down to Wengen but you do so at your own risk and if you try it with a high avalanche risk you may get arrested for putting the village in danger, I know a number of old instructors who have skied down I also know that two canadians or americans were arrested for doing so in the 80's after they caused an avalanche that made it onto the nursery slopes, it's also possible to ski from Wengen to Lauterbrunnen with enough snow but no one usually bothers. There used to be a second route into Wengen where one would cross over the railway near Allmend station and arrive in Wengen near the Old Mannlichen bottom station, this went a long time ago (late 1950's or early 60's I think) as it was at far greater risk from the Avalanches that drop down the front of the Mannlichen. The Bumps area (the opposite side of the bumps t-bar lift to the race track) used to be considerably bumpier and was mainly un pisted leaving a lovely natural gentle mogul field that was great for learning technique, modern practice has resulted in these moguls being virtually non existent these days which is sad and may be one reason that the Bumps Lift gets little use these days. On the other hand anyone old enough to remember the scary mogul fields that would form over on the upper slopes above Murren is probably grateful for winch equipped piste bashers that have certainly made those slopes safer ;-) A few other short runs through the woods have been deleted due to those areas now being protected nature areas, one or two runs have been altered due to changes to lifts and one or two added e.g Gummi Nord which can only be skied safely after a lot of snow, if you have walked the area in summer you know that particular route is covered in boulders, unlike most of the other pistes which are mainly green fields. The old trains that I remember had first and second class sections with second class being hard wooden seats and the ticket collector had to open a door and go outside between carriages with only a tiny outside step big enough for one foot outside each door, especially impressive given that one of those collectors had a club foot and wore a built up boot! Prior to those were the old green engines that were still used on busy days when I first went there in the early 70's, Ironically it was the construction of the Jungfraubahn to Jungfraujoch that led to the Early electrification of the WAB, they could not safely use steam through the 9km of continuous tunnel so built a hydroelectric station in Lauterbrunnen, they subsequently found that this could generate more than sufficient power for the WAB as well as the JB and so the Wengen side was electrified, I believe that it took a while longer to electrify the Grindelwald Side
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Tue 30-01-18 10:26
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I have similar sized calf muscles and am a similar height, heel lifts can make a big difference I have a few mm of heel lift in my boots, you can only stretch the calf area on boots by so much, but you can get clip extenders which add up to an inch of extra space, I've had ski shops in the past give me these eve when I had not bought the boots from them
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Tue 30-01-18 10:21
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Interesting to read the various reports here, Swiss Ski School in Wengen actually own and run the nursery slopes in the village and are used to dealing with young children to the extent that they have their own house right on the nursery slopes where they can take children that need toilet breaks or just to warm up, get a drink or a small piece of chocolate during lessons, in addition most of the lifts and stations in the area have toilets for those in urgent need. I can remember as a young child that my ski instructors always had a pocket full of sweets which were typically handed out in lift queues, you need really good instructors to deal with the youngest children, a it's not just teaching them to ski but dealing with toilet breaks, wet gloves, cold hands and feet, tantrums, tears (when mummy and daddy leave child with strange person) and so on, I'm not convinced the ESF way which in many cases seems to be "Follow me at high speed down this race track" is correct but in many cases it seems to work, perhaps we in Britain have become used to being coddled by state organisations such as schools, or perhaps its a French thing where there is perhaps a pressure to turn out racers rather than recreational skiers, either way there is never any excuse for not properly looking after young children in a ski school.
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Fri 26-01-18 22:38
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@under a new name, just wondering the same thing by my calculations it's numerous villages (more than I can count) and a large number of towns going from Gstaad in the south west to Meiringen in the North East
Poster: A snowHead
Tue 16-01-18 12:57
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Conditions today meen most of the lfts are shut, Trains currently running to Kleine Scheidegg, Bumps and Inner Wengen lifts open, First area shut except for the little Bodmi Drag at the bottom, best skiing today probably over at Murren, Birg is shut but the other areas are all currently open
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Fri 12-01-18 9:37
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A lot of buildings are designed with most doors opening outwards but one opening inwards as an inwards opening door cannot be blocked by snow, rather important if you have a house fire or a roof collapse due to heavy snow, traditional alpine structures have wide eaves which reduce the amount of snow against a building but obviously cannot stop windblown snow building against a wall, a bigger issue can be the weight of snow on a roof which is why many buildings have to have their roofs cleared after heavy snow (typically around 1.5M 5 feet of snow sitting on a roof is bad news as this works out to 150-200 kg per square meter)
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Mon 8-01-18 11:35
Replies: 46
Best answer, find a friendly ski shop in resort that will let you test the goggles for yourself by going out the shop on a flat light day and seeing if any lens makes a difference for you, everyones eyes are different so what works well for one person may not be any good for another, as has been mentioned elsewhere you need some contrast to be able to improve for any lens to have an effect. I once skied straight into a 6 ft deep snowbank where a side run had not yet been piested simply because it was white on white in a heavy snowstorm, days like that are best used for propping up the bar or similar social activities
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Sun 7-01-18 20:56
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Yellow, Orange and Red lenses alter the amount of blue light seen by the human eye, when you have flat light but otherwise reasonable visibility such as you might get under thick cloud (rather than being in the cloud itself) then these lenses will have the effect of increasing contrast, when visibility itself is poor such as skiing in thick cloud or a blizzard then the only thing the coggles do is keep stuff out of your eyes but will have minimal enhancement of your vision
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Sun 7-01-18 20:35
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It should perhaps be pointed out that the Falboden chair is often not open, save for weekends, this has been the case since a tragic accident in 2008 when one person died and one was seriously injured after very high winds caused one of the cables to come off the rollers, the lift was already in the process of shutting down with no new passengers being allowed on due to earlier gusts of 60kph but still had 75 people om the lift when it was hit by a 90kph gust. It is generally easier and possibly faster to carry on the train up to Kleine Scheidegg then ski down to the Eigernordwand Chair as the Falboden Lift is also really slow. As Mike says you can ski the whole racetrack if you want to, last year the local Wengen Tourist Office organised some timed runs for tourists in the weeks (might have been 2 months) after the race itself not sure if they will do that again this year, the advantage of that is that they close off the crossing points so you can go fast without the risk of hitting a skier crossing your path. If you do decide to do the course take the final schuss at speed, it is far easier to do this and use the big runout at the bottom than do what many people do which is stop at the top and try to either traverse the slope or side slip down, this gives those going up on the innerwengen lift a lot of entertainment
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Fri 5-01-18 14:37
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Pretty much every modern chairlift/gondola has one or more sensors on a tower or at the top station that measure wind speed, the lifts all have a wind speed they will not operate above, however there can always be exceptions, it's rare for the cable clamps to fail, but not at all uncommon for the chair or gondola to act as a sail and pull the cable off one or more pylons, this is more dangerous than a single clamp failure as it can result in multiple chairs or gondolas dropping to the ground. In general the higher the pylon the lower the wind speed required to shut them down. The two main risks are unexpected strong gusts and particular wind speeds and directions that can cause a form of harmonic motion that just gets worse, this latter one is what causes the dramatic chair spins or bounces beloved by Youtube enthusiasts, if you see a lift with this sort of motion starting to occur take my advice and find another lift !
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Wed 3-01-18 18:05
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@CaravanSkier, so did I :lol:
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Wed 3-01-18 15:21
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Looks like a brief cold snap this afternoon/evening then warm and wet until Monday/Tuesday next week. Thursday looks like potentially heavy rain from 8am with up to 100mm of rain tomorrow (but more likely to be 40-50mm)
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Wed 3-01-18 15:10
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@CaravanSkier, actually I think she was unfortunate to have had an idiot boyfriend taking her up a mountain in a resort he'd never been to after she'd had just one skiing lesson..... I couldn't not help, I only came across them in the blizzard because she was crying her eyes out and I thought maybe someone was hurt. The choice was help her get to the next station stop myself or ski down to a lift and try to get some help back up the slope, for me it wasn't a hard choice to make, but the run was easy, I don't think I'd have tried if the slope had been steeper
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Wed 3-01-18 1:19
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@KeetnaWilson, I think same time and yes its currently 2019/20, I would imagine that they may start construction this summer with at least some structures since they have quite a lot to do, the Mannlichen top station is going to be enlarged and I see no mention of the Holenstein middle station so that might be going but there will be a big multi story carpark at the bottom, with direct access to the train and a bus stop that will take you up to the First lift
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Wed 3-01-18 0:46
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I would imagine that like the Jungfrau Region, timetabled trains will be covered but if it's a special excursion it might not be.
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Wed 3-01-18 0:34
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Just my two pennies worth, take every opportunity to learn every technique you can from good teachers, you never know when they might be useful, a number of years ago I helped a young woman with one mornings ski lessons under her belt, get down a 4km blue run (that her boyfriend had started her on) in a blizzard, the only way to do that was let her hold onto me as I snow ploughed in front, you cannot beet it for slow controlled turns on gentle slopes, mind you I was tempted to shove a skistick somewhere on the BF's anatomy where the sun didn't shine for being so stupid ! Many techniques are no longer taught for a number of reasons but it's often because those techniques can cause injuries if not done properly, e.g kick turns, very handy on steep narrow slopes when someone below you has crashed and you don't want to ski into them, likewise reverse snow ploughs for watching your friends ski towards you, side slipp (forwards and backwards) and so on.
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Wed 3-01-18 0:14
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One reason for the long lift times is the length of runs, Scheidegg or Mannlichen to Grund is about 8km same from Top of Lauberhorn to Wengen, Schilthorn to Lauterbrunnen is about 13.5 km if you walk the little uphill bit of the Inferno run, when the Mannlichen Gondola lift was put in it was the longest in Europe things have changed since then with larger gondolas and faster uplift, some of us are old enough to remember the Mannlichen T-bar drag lift or even the Lauberhorn Drag Lift (I can just remember it but never went on it) Lifts are constantly being replaced with better ones (often both faster and with more seats) the replacement of the Mannlichen Gondola with the New lift that will go to both the Mannlichen and Eigergletscher will probably be of great benefit at the weekends, not for the access it will give those based in Wengen but rather because all the locals that pack the trains coming up from Grund (where there are plenty of parking spots) will instead take the new Gondola, thus those wanting to catch the train up after lunch at Brandegg will not have to cram onto a packed train :-)
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Thu 7-12-17 20:27
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The FIS do learn lessons Gernot Reinstadler died as a result of his ski getting caught in netting at high speed on the Lauberhorn Race Course in 1991, as a direct result much of the high speed netting has a covering to prevent things being caught, prior to netting it used to be chestnut pailing to separate skiers from crowds, I'm sure I recall someone getting impaled on that but I can't find a reference. As the DHO webmaster (bloody awful title) I regularly deal with our Racing and Training Staff, they deal with race trainees for the whole winter season and into the summer, everyone who takes part, children and parents alike understand that travelling at high speed on skis can and does occasionally lead to accidents, sometimes fatalities, of course the kids never believe t will happen to them, so it's the coaches and trainers who get the responsibility of accident prevention, they do a really good job of this but when an accident does occur these days everyone looks at who to blame. The reality is that with experienced skiers high speed crashes tend to be a result of a combination of errors, most often initially caused by an edge catching on something, in that fraction of a second balance is lost and with it control, if it occurs on a tight bend or jump then there is rarely time to self correct and a crash occurs, modern helmets protect the head pretty well, but if you fly over the netting or just as bad get a limb or skis caught in the netting, serious injuries result.
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Sun 3-12-17 14:51
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Looks like the Jungfrau Region has its best early snow for the last 20 years or thereabouts, cold temperatures and a possible further 30cm (12 inches) of snow at the end of next week looks promising, long range forecasts suggest that the following week will remain cold and may bring a further 20-30 cm (8 to 12 inches) of snow, if this turns out to be the case then the Week before Christmas will be great early skiing, However make sure you have plenty of warm clothing to take advantage of the powder snow.
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Sat 12-08-17 23:13
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Wengen Nursery Slopes the long almost flat Wengiboden rope tow with those little orange plastic handles, age either 3 or 4 was never a fa of those tow lofts for some reason, actually prefered the Figeller lift which in those days was strong enough to lift you off the ground as it started, it ran you up the steeper side of the nursery slope very quickly and almost threw you off at the top, but as a child I found that "Fun"
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Tue 1-08-17 18:26
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@DebbieD, From Geneva its easy, the Station at the Airport is in the basement area, You will need to Change at Bern station, you will certainly need to change at Interlaken Ost and Lauterbrunnen, Ist class Swiss trains are very comfortable, there are ramps as well as stairs at Interlaken Ost, Ramps at Bern, at Lauterbrunnen get out of the Left side of the train and walk across to the Wengen trains, people will be coming down not many going up at that time of day, the center of Wengen will be packed as all of the stages, temporary hospitality suites and so on will be full of race fans, by Monday it will be back to being quiet.
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Fri 14-07-17 19:32
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My mum went skiing when I was just 3 Months Old , parents took me with them and a friend in resort looked after me during the day, apparently I spent all day sleeping and was no problem.
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Fri 30-06-17 9:30
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Hmm I have an HP Elitebook, Quad core with multiple USB ports, 1394 port, HDMI and ethernet ports plus a simple round easy to find power port bit it doesn't have an apple on it ..... On the other hand I upgraded the RAM bought from my local PC shop, can buy non branded accessories and do't have to deal with Apple Shop staff :-)
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Sat 13-05-17 12:43
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It will let you go from Mannlichen to Kl Scheidegg but possibly not the other way, typically at the start of the season high winds often strop off any snow on the slopes above the Arven and in particular Honegg lifts, you can still use the road to go through the woods to the Tschuggen lift but it often requires a bit of walking
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Thu 6-04-17 11:01
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The Hundschopf on the lauberhorn course is 41° but is only a short section, the final schuss is 36° it always looks steeper from the top looking down opposed to the bottom looking up :sH:
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Wed 5-04-17 10:58
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@Chris Mason, It really dependson what the son wants to do, dad may not be competitive but son might like the idea of racing, in the UK most snowdomes or dry slopes have some form of club which he might enjoy, beyond that you are probably looking at raceclubs (they don't just race) but this can get seriously expensive with parents needing to cough up up to £10K a year or more if they want to go to every trip, this may not result in a top level racer (that depends a lot on natural talent) but will turn a child into a child who leaves the parents well behind them
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Wed 5-04-17 10:44
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The US culture of litigation combined with excessively high healthcare costs will always cause problems In Europe if you are involved in an accident even if you are not at fault and are uninjured you should always check on the other party/parties involved if anyone is injured ideally you want to wait until a pisteur turns up to get details so that there is less chance of being chased after for compensation if you are not at fault, I've had I think 3 people ski into me over the years, always from behind and always because they were out of control, had an aluminium pole bent once which I straightened out on my own, but never injured and the other parties have been ok each time. I always have insurance that will cover 3rd party liability because you never know what might happen. I once saw someone carrying their skis fall over on a patch of ice and their skis smacked into an adjacent child, who thank god was wearing a helmet, helmet was cracked but child was fine but if they hadn't had a helmet..... Just an accident with no bad behaviour involved but the potential for serious injury.
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Sat 25-02-17 12:05
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@Deedee, sounds like you need to attach the straps to your gloves, then maybe the old elastic between gloves to stop you loosing those as well ;-) Worth contacting the Mannlichen lifts to ask if anyone has handed one in and also Wengen and Grindelwald Tourist Offices, it's amazing what does get handed in.
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Sat 18-02-17 21:33
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@snowornever, see https://www.bussenkatalog.ch/geschwindigkeitsbussen the swiss still punish the worst speeders with imprisonment
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Fri 17-02-17 1:15
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Swiss are an exception, because of the way the speeding system works, small speeding fines for just over the limit up to huge fines based on your income if you are a lot over the limit, also at that point they can put you in prison, I have heard of 1 case where someone was arrested at Geneva airport because he had been convicted in absentia several years previously, for the little fines the Swiss may not pursue you but for the bigger fines they will do an international arrest warrant, there have been several cases in the last 15 or so years in the UK where UK police have knocked on peoples doors and given them the option of paying the Swiss Fine pretty much there and then or being arrested. A chap driving a Ferrari got a fine of £180,000 for driving through a village at 57kph on a 30kph limit village back in 2010, but the biggest fine was a Swedish driver who thought it was a good idea to drive down a Swiss Motorway at 300kph+ that one got him 1,080,000 ChF fine !
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