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Poster: A snowHead
Wed 21-06-17 12:26
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Vallee does indeed start at the top of Varet: via bottom of Grand Col; re-join(actually, more rejoined by) Arondlieres; cross over at the bottom of Arcabulle;and down past Bois D'Lours to Pre St Esprit. You used to be able to get to Dents de Peigne blue from the Grand Reynard chair , but since that's gone, you are right, the only route is Grand Reynard red from the Transarc. Of course, it isn't really red until you've gone through the col, back into the 1800 valley, it's just a wide track to the top of Dents (And you can only get to Plan Vert blue that way too).
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Wed 21-06-17 9:22
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@johnE, Then they will need another way to get to the ridge. I was looking at the relief map of the area - it may be possible to terraform a red to skiers' left of Combourciere through some of the Malgovert forest: say from the 'elbow' in the top half of the Mont Blanc which overlooks Malgovert, cut across the existing Malgovert piste, and then - environmentalists willing- bring it back around to Pre St Esprit through the woods. That would then give access from Mont Blanc lift. (The MTB track to 1600 there does run the other way, so you'd have to exit close to the base of the existing Combouciere piste.) But it is speculation! I'm sure it will be interesting when it happens. PS - I was scratching my head for a while on your post: a couple of years ago, Cascades was renamed to 'Vallee de l'Arc (2)' - presumably so they can claim a long blue from the very top - but the snowmaking there will make a big difference. Of course with the extra beds going in just below 1950, there will be more people there anyway... I agree it would be a shame to upgrade Clocheret, as it keeps those 3 pistes (Clapet, Clocheret and Muguet) very much for those 'in the know'! In fact that whole end of the resort served by the 4 lifts Mont Blanc, Clocheret, Combouciere and Pre St Esprit has been nicely under-utilised - a throwback if you will. Sadly I think those days are about to end, and it will join the rest of the "Mega-resort" package. :cry: But as previously on this thread, probably necessarily so, to spread out the extra beds being put into the resort.
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Mon 19-06-17 15:07
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PS @johnE, learcsnet.com has the top station at a sightly more believable 2294 !
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Mon 19-06-17 14:23
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I guess if they are going to increase car park usage at Pre, then they need a dual route back from the 1600/1800 valley for Red skiers for end-of-day -not just the Valley de L'Arc. From a selfish (skiing) perspective, this is a shame though...
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Thu 15-06-17 22:01
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@stevomcd, a mis-understanding I think. Been doing the route 66 every other year for the past 12 years, so happy that it's a nice family outing. Technical at the top, effort free from Pre St Esprit on. What I am really asking is, is it worth popping over to La Plagne to see what else there is?
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Thu 15-06-17 20:44
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I'm out biking the Les Arcs trails again this summer - they seem to have taken away one of the single-track routes off the Col de la Chal, but the 20km down to Bourg is still there. Is it worth making the Vanoise trip to La Plagne? (Note: I am not a Black VTT'er, barely do reds actually. Will be taking own bikes as per usual, since I daren't risk having the brakes the 'wrong way' round: last thing I need is an instinctive grab 1/2 way down a mountain to find I've a full front lock on...)
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Wed 14-06-17 7:56
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@Fridge03, Lucky you are a control freak! - because there's a lot needed... Organising for 10 is a good practice to take up a later career as a cat herder. 4 Rules I have come to appreciate after doing groups for quite a few years. 1) Choose the resort, mode of accommodation, and dates, and stick to it . Trying to accommodate mind changes, individual foibles, the 'not sures' will drive you insane if you try. 2) Get the money - or a sizeable deposit - up front. It does tend to focus the minds of those for whom July is an odd month to be thinking of skiing. 3) Good idea to let people organise their own travel - but then ensure that your control freakery doesn't take over, and you become a surrogate tour leader. People will be late. They will miss their planes, trains or buses. They will fail to get a good deal. They may end up in the wrong resort. None of this is your problem if you have clearly delegated travel arrangements to each of them. 4) Decide if you want to be responsible for on-snow activities - who is deciding on the routes for the day - which restaurants to meet in , which groups are going where. If not you, then say so. And as per other topical threads doing the rounds here always remember the Mike Tyson guide to Project Management. Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth If things don't work out as you planned, roll with it, and chill. As one CF to another, this is the hardest bit. There will be individuals who have ideas counter to yours, and will disappear for a fag just as the minibus appears, or decide that today would be a good day to do a hidden gem, but fail to tell anyone outside their roommate. Relax: it's your holiday too. HTH
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Tue 13-06-17 21:15
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@albob, I put the 73000 Bourg St Maurice code in! ( But left UK address, and usual email)
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Tue 13-06-17 16:21
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I've just won a week's free pass for the summer season by entering their competition https://kx1.co/hero-velo-bingo (open until 15th June), said I'd pick it up when got there rather than have them send it out. They'd like me to pick it up from La Nova apartments - So er... which part of the village is that? Ta
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Fri 9-06-17 14:05
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Fri 2-06-17 17:47
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How many times are we going to see the anti-Conservatives bang on about " you can't say 'no deal is better than a bad deal' ? FFS all of you: you may know that you want a deal, but you never Say you want a deal. Think of the car show room. Walk in and say: I'm leaving with a car, no matter what: so how much discount you going to give me? and the salesman will give you ... list price. And do their utmost to charge you for extras Walk in and say - I like it, but I will walk out without a car unless you bring the price down... s/he'll bring the price down (within allowed scope). And chances are good that you'll walk out with a car. And yet everyone chooses to take this as stick to beat TM with. YOU know better, the Politicos know better, (and almost certainly the salesman, aka EU know this) but a good proportion of the great unwashed don't, and so are swayed by this BS - "she said it's hard brexit" it's the end of the world". No. it is a political stunt for party gain, and I for one am fed up with it. Yes, TM has screwed up royally in the campaigning - I'm severely disappointed in their performance. But to walk into exit negotiations saying in effect "we must have this, we're not leaving without it, and to get it we'll pay whatever you ask" ? You're all mad.
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Mon 29-05-17 17:28
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@TQA, thanks - saw that the trains from Innsbruck (well, maybe it's the summer timetable) they run just three a day - 05.42, 06.43 and 07.45... I think you'd not wanting to be planning on catching those . @T Bar, ta. Saw that they were both on the radar - and yes having a vehicle of some description may give alternatives. But Innsbruck probably the closer option then. (Going to have to change my :sH: "location" info for this year... although I think we'll still get a couple of Arc1950 weeks in ;-) )
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Mon 29-05-17 17:00
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Quick update: got the 6 bed apartment: paid a decent price, but also contributed a large part towards a great charity event yesterday. Now... how do I get there? Closest airport I assume is Innsbruck: any others worth considering? What about trains and if so from what hub? Does going to Landeck plus transfer work? Is a drive sensible (we're based SE, exactly 100 miles from the chunnel)? What have you lovely people done in the past? (I shall be asking the owners too!) Thanks, AR
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Wed 10-05-17 17:45
Replies: 14
@ecureuil, odd. My skiing companions returned to UK via Lyon E-star on 8th April. Perhaps that counts as Summer timetable? @Jonpim, we used to get the overnight. Accept fully that the rolling stock and the finances make it impossible to re-start. This year we got Friday afternoon train to Paris, enjoyed meal, stayed overnight at Gare de Lyon Mercure, and caught early Sat am TGV. Not quite as good or exciting, but an "acceptable" compromise.
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Wed 10-05-17 9:19
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@ster, not adverse to a Sunday - Sunday service, so have signed but as above, if push came to shove I'd rather an overnight couchette. @Jonpim, don't forget the Eurostar to Lyon.
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Tue 9-05-17 16:45
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@Phildooley1, If you head to Les Arcs, then they host the annual Film Festival in that week - http://lesarcs-filmfest.com/home/index.php? This year (the 8th version) it is 17-23rd Dec. albeit they haven't announced the competitors or the theme as yet. It's high enough for pretty much nailed on snow, there's Bourg St Maurice for a Christmas market, and since the festival caters for 'new-to-skiing' and non-skiers alike, plenty to do when not sliding. I was lucky enough to be given 'all access' passes for this year, and although not able to take full advantage (injury cut short our stay) there was plenty on offer. You could stay in Bourg if you'd prefer the valley; giving easy access to Rosiere or Arcs, or Arc 1950 for the main festival village and ski in/out accommodation. HTH
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Mon 8-05-17 21:12
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@T Bar, @boabski, @halfhand, et a; Thanks for the feedback. I think we have a plan. Don't worry: boys trip does not require party central - just a bar and access to beer / wine / cocktails ( preferably all three) before during and after the meals. AR
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Mon 8-05-17 10:26
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And here's me thinking it was another political thread... Looking like good stuff: here in the UK it's bikes, bikes, bikes.
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Mon 8-05-17 10:23
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Update: managed to break the other arm last week... what a klutz. (Or maybe a design flaw - it was exactly the same spot as the previous. Mind you, they are more than a few years old now so I guess plastic does degrade) This time, no charge at all: no admin, not even P&P Just happy, smiley service. These MJ boys and girls are the business, and have one very happy customer.
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Sat 6-05-17 21:23
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Thanks everyone! - sounds like it's got legs then Now... how much to bid?!
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Sat 6-05-17 18:59
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So I've a chance to bid at a charity auction for 10 beds in Kappl for next winter. I'd be thinking of the "boys trip", but from what I can see, the main skiing is in Ischgl, a bus ride away, albeit the local hill has 40km of piste, and there are options for skiing at See and Galtur on the same/similar free bus route. Or, if we have cars with us ( presumably we would have to have rental car / minibus to get from an airport?) St Anton. Looking for feedback, on people's experiences and thoughts - of the area, the distances involved, the lift systems, the variety of skiing available : the boys' ability ranges from "OK on reds" to "gets bored if blacks not tough enough" - and any other information that would help me decide if it's worth going after (PS would be staying in the Dorfstatl hotel apartments - anything on the place also welcome - Trip Advisor rates it highly). As always with Snowheads the wealth of help is legion, and legendary: and I am aware that other resorts are of course always available. But right now, am specifically looking at supporting this charity: so let's keep the thread on track - please! Thanks, AR
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Mon 1-05-17 15:58
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@bobcat, I guess it also depends on what sort of holiday you're looking for. Yes we own a place, but this year, the boys trip was going somewhere else. So our order of preference in deciding where to go was: 1) what sort of skiing did we want - based on standard of skiers: off piste/ mogul munchers / blue cruisers/beginners/ bar flys etc. and its accessibility from accommodation - would people put up with a 10/20/30 min bus wait&ride on a daily basis, or want ski in /out. 1a) If a variety of skiing needs, did they want to meet up at lunch, for example, or was evening socialising sufficient? 1b) as a corollary to (1) then, how many km of piste did we need? 1c) And did anyone in the group have relevant experience of the places up for debate? 2) Then, what level of catering: hotel, chalet, self would people accept? What facilities came with that? 3) Transport options: plane, train, automobile, and transfer times 4) Was TO easier, or DIY more adaptable? 5) Does the evening social life matter to this group, and if so, at what level? 5) And finally, price: Value is always important, but getting it 'right' more so. On the other hand, if it was family then previous experience of the resort may be more important ("been there, liked it, know my way around, want to go back") - or indeed the opposite. Slopeside accommodation may factor higher in your thinking. And child care for younger families may be the determinant. Or a couples event: catering for non-skiers perhaps become vital, or a decent ski school for newbies, neither of which are a particular issue with a 'boys week'. So I think I'm saying the order of importance is determined by who is being invited! But if "cheaper" is the key thing, then absolutely you can find ways to do it cheaper than the next man. Just be aware of all the other things that might be compromised to make it so. (piste miles, accessibility, food quality, ski pass area coverage, room size, dates, snow cover etc. etc.) But if you know where to look and go, it can be a steal. This Dec. I and my daughter had 4 days staying in Bourg St Maurice. DIY. Not a skiing hotel, but did have hire car (to get from the airport). Small out of town hotel, €70 per night for the two of us, plus (extortionate) breakfast @ €12 each - there was a possible saving. Off peak flights (actually, used airmiles) Off peak car hire (also mainly airmiles) Car and central location meant we chose where to ski based on local knowledge and conditions. First week of season, so day-passes on special offer.Also special Saturday deals As above breakfast at the hotel, snack lunch on the slopes, evening meal at various eateries in town - which again, not being a ski station were geared to local economics, not tourist traps. I'm sure we could have got a better Euros per km ratio had we chosen a ski pass for just one resort, but then that wasn't entirely our criteria. So yes, cheaper is possible. Heck: it was warm enough in the valley to have camped out that week...
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Thu 27-04-17 0:16
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@johnE, fortunately last time we used the bus, they let us put the bikes in the under-belly of the vehicle so we didn't have to ride back! The only uphill I do (I'm an old git) is the road up from 1950 to 2000, where I meet Mrs and Mini Roll who've come up in the cabriolet... Managed it 8 times in 10 days last year: which, on low pressure, fat, off-road tyres and large belly and no cleats, is if not in TdF class, still an achievement. [ /proud of self ] We only did the black by accident, when they closed the blue down to 1600 while doing the earthworks for the training piste and so directed us (a family FFS... on hardtails...) down the black. We... err.. walked it. :oops: That turn below Villaroger can be quite 'interesting' to find: we've done both routes, and although there is a short seriously sharp climb out from the river towards Seez, I think it is the more direct route - even if it is 'wrong'! We're now booked for 5th August for 2 weeks. Let's try to catch up.
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Wed 26-04-17 17:15
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@johnE, not sure about it been 'guided' - but it is at the bottom of both a black and the 'park' routes, as well as a lovely blue run around the hill from 1950/2000: so you'll have heard me and the family in there in our best cycling lycra (but no body armour: we don't do the crazy stuff). It's a good stopping off point for lunch for sure. Sometimes we even cycle back! (Otherwise the navettes really do come into their own when tired, and faced with that climb from Pre St Esprit.)
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Mon 24-04-17 10:17
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I'd guess 75% of Arc1950 traffic this year is UK / Irish - but again, unscientifically based on voices at ski-school start / bakery / evening bars. All of which may be over-represented. May well change as more apartments are being bought by the French for personal use rather than renting out through TOs. But IIRC it is only in the last 15 years that the UK has "noticed" it: I certainly recall changing minibusses on the way to Tignes at BSM in circa 1995, and pointing at the Funicular, asking 'Where's that?' to be told, 'Oh Les Arcs? that's where the French ski'. Summertime is entirely different, when 1950 becomes almost exclusively French. Well, 95% plus. What's it like elsewhere in the domain? @johnE, my luges pre-date the Rodeo, used exclusively on the sledging slopes of 2000 and 1950. Seem to recall a lot of walking back up hills then too... (Never did take them all they way down to Pre St Esprit in the evening for the bus - that would be naughty. :lol: )
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Sat 22-04-17 15:42
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@valais2, @Thornyhill, quite. 340,000 / 2150 = ... well, lets say a lot less than 10%. About 0.6% in fact...
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Sat 22-04-17 8:40
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PS we have 4 plastic luges in the cupboard that are no longer required: available to a good home in 1950 / 2000. Make me an offer! (even "I'll take them off your hands" would be considered)
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Sat 22-04-17 8:38
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@Richie_S, I hate that Rodeo thing with a passion! My knees don't bend that way, my core can't hold me in that sitting position for long enough, steering appears to be a black art, etc.etc. And yes, it's a damn long walk in slush. Doing it 3 times is, IMHO, 3 times too many. Fortunately Mini Roll has grown out of it. But I guess going through that kind of experience, with the love and sacrifice demanded, is what defines parenthood... :lol:
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Thu 20-04-17 14:52
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@johnE, we SO agree about Clocheret: along with the Carreley run it is the one we do most. It is beautiful. But it is the crowding across everywhere that I'm concerned about. I was taken out on that 1600 home run: the links running down to Vagere / Transarc can be a nightmare: and the sheer ant-like behaviour in the 2000 bowl is beginning to look like Piccadilly Circus at rush hour. Having said that, I don't think we waited more than 5 mins anywhere in the fortnight before Easter (excepting Aguille Rouge): it's not the lifts, it's the sheer volumes on the piste that are getting out of hand. [/old git mode] I'd too love to see what's happened to the Beguin, and agree: front side - wow; backside? Well the name says it all. Are you out in the summer, maybe we could go for an explore!
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Thu 20-04-17 13:43
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... the back of Col de la Chal (and yes, all that that entails with infrastructure investment) ...Wouldn't that stray in to the national park? Some lovely terrain down there, but I think development wouldn't be allowed? Oh yes, I'm sure there is an environmental impact, as well as the Vanoise Park issue. But confess as to being at a bit of a loss as to where else you might expand the domain. Malgovert Forest? I suppose the 2019 upgraded Combourciere might make that a feasible target (I am concerned about having increased inappropriate footfall through the Malgovert piste as it stands: albeit re-designating from red to black might ease that fear...) - although return to 1600 isn't going to be easy if you drop below the road, and , it is low. Another option might be replacing the Clocheret lift and opening up that face a bit more to reduce congestion: but would potentially ruin some great, great runs. And the powder field above the snowpark would become just another area to be tracked out before 11am (now that really is selfish...!). I can see Arolles getting busier too as the new hotel comes onstream. Bah. I'm sure there are options within the domain's current boundaries, I just don't want any of them to become mainstreet: I like the backwaters, thank you very much! (X-post with JohnE)
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Thu 20-04-17 12:56
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@thefatcontroller, @rob@rar, @Layne, supposed to be a 7 minutes transit time for the new lift, and 6-8 m closer to the 1950 village as it passes through. And yes, with access to Plagnettes. I'm thinking it has a number of purposes: 1) to accommodate the new build just below 1950 (about 300 beds for both apartments and seasonnaire accommodation - was going to be hosted chalets, but VIP, the owner TO, has reconsidered in light of Brexit) - which may or may not be able to access Marmottes / Bois de L'Ours directly. 2) enable the council to develop the PsE car park as a defined (and hence chargeable!) access point to the domain 3) as you say, to relive the immediate pressure on Arcabulle - although whether Plagnettes will be able to cope is another matter! Like Layne, we've also been considering where the terminus will be: if to skiers' right of current Plagnettes lift , hope that there will be some thought to those having to cross the conjunction of Teppes, Tuffes and Plagnettes pistes ( which is always a bit of a race track in preparation for the flattish bit down to Arcabulle) to reach the next uplift. But I'm sure it's been designed with this in mind... I think we are very likely to use it from 1950 - the route down is a great warm up before '1st lift' rather than having to do a Marmottes circulation: but never considered while it takes 15 mins to get back to, well, nowhere! Tree felling is supposed to begin in May. Will report back with photos from summer visit. The addition of 1000+ beds to the domain is not without its issues - there still appears to be no increase in available pistes: and with high speed lifts, fewer people standing in queues, that inevitably means higher density per piste, with concomitant problems. They may say that Cascades (or as it appears to be now called "Valley de l'Arc 1") and Mont Blanc pistes are under-utilised, but I'm not convinced that without expanding to, say the back of Col de la Chal (and yes, all that that entails with infrastructure investment) that we can take much more at peak times. He says selfishly, having been a 'new bed' back in 2003!
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Thu 20-04-17 8:06
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@snowcrazy, thanks - we'll certainly try to make it. As you say, it is the off piste which offers the opportunities - but without a guide or local knowledge (and yes, in the past you've taken us to some great unknowns, that's is without question) I would hesitate to explore. In fact... I wouldn't. But the pistes? meh. :sH:
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Wed 19-04-17 21:31
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@snowcrazy, I'm intrigued. I get your passion for the off-piste accessed from the Bellecote - but frankly I find the bowl itself to be a bit of Emperor's New Clothes. All mouth, no trousers. From a Les Arcs perspective, it's a long way to go (timewise) , the lift system is downright shoddy, museum worthy in fact, and the snow no better than stuff we have significantly closer to home, indeed all over the domain. In fact I'd call it a tick-box set: punters gotta say they've done the 'Bellecote' . But as a local, why your continued fascination?
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Sun 16-04-17 13:31
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@howiet, but I hope I can, is that he is the manager of a beer shop in Alpe d'Huez, not a pile em' high booze dump but a craft beer shop that sells various brews from a small craft brewery in Bourg d'Oisans. Very nice I found it too. You can find him in the Bergers shopping centre, and yes he does give you free samples Very Happy Damn: you should have said - walked passed a few time looking for shoe-laces (long story...) Oh well, shall know for next time! Enjoy what's left of the season. AR
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Sat 15-04-17 18:39
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@johnE, think you'll fine Combettes closed too... ;-) Also Combociere. BTW rumour has it that with Pre St Esprit upgrading this year, and another 300 odd beds going in just below 1950, they plan to upgrade Combociere for the 18/19 season.
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Thu 13-04-17 22:34
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Thu 13-04-17 22:18
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Mini Roll roll has been a bit off colour these past couple of days so not been out. Real shame, as the pistes, as above, have been hard work but excellent fun. ( and you know what they say about good days, bad days, mountains and offices...). Nevertheless, worth mentioning that it is not all perfect. The Cachet lift in 1600 is closing Friday, but the Mont Blanc is more than adequate. Vagere needs your skis off to get to. Seen people preferrring to grass ski to Carrely rather than use the strip of mush. We've skied mainly the 1800 side late mornings, but not below Arpette if possible. And even that is a quagmire by lunchtime. Then gone back to 2000 for the pm. The blacks under Varet today were simply wonderful this pm: Lanches, and Dou d l'homme ( twice) just excellent snow conditions. If a little busy - yes,there were so many people on the mogul runs, you had to look up hill before restarting each time! So our view is: it's been great, really, really great, but don't expect cordoroy or powder. Just enjoy the exercise and the sun. Our last day tomorrow so will make the best of it: then back for VTT / MTB in about 15 weeks... it's all go!
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Thu 13-04-17 8:38
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@Gillap, you could try the Bulle , up by the Arcabulle lift. Can get to it from Marmottes. Or as suggested above the bakery in 1950 is great.
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Sun 9-04-17 16:27
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Suggest, as you might expect with my declared interest, Les Arcs 1950. Meets all requirements for creche, great ski school and snow sure for any time of the season. DIY or TO whichever suits, train plane or automobile friendly, it really does tick your boxes.
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Fri 7-04-17 22:17
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So a late night update, excuse speeling errors... Another great day of piste skiing, as long as you keep high. Weather outstanding, it's tee shirt time. As per radio ' R les Arcs ' 97.4fm , 2000 bowl in the am, switch to the 'front' face of 1800 /1600/ peisey mid late morn. Froide Fontaine and Carrely are superb between 11.30 and 12.30. We reckon it's 11/ 12 mins to lap depending on Arpette queue, so you should be able to get 5 runs in per hour. .. we have! Arondlieres and Grand Col start to slush up by about 3.30. Lanches and Dou de l'homme big moguls, steep, a ' challenge' even late in the day. But oh so worth it. And we think are capable of staying open for a couple more weeks- there are no bare patches on the hill yet. They reckon 145km of piste still open on Arcs side, which can't be bad. We're off to LP tomorrow, see what we can see over there. So long as the rain stays away, anyone out tomorrow or Sun (as above) you going to love it.
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